Apache Ignite 2.7 release

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I missed it.

чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:

> Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This is a huge
> feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be able to
> review/fix/test it properly.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29 Oct)
> >
> > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope, isn't it? I
> > find it very important.
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hello, Vova.
> > >
> > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Vova,
> > > >
> > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Vladimir Ozerov]

Dmitriy,

This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not ready. We
never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include it into
2.7.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I missed it.
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This is a
> huge
> > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be able to
> > review/fix/test it properly.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29 Oct)
> > >
> > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope, isn't
> it? I
> > > find it very important.
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Vova,
> > > > >
> > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If it is
not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.

I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
According to the statement "our current agreement"
I can suspect some members are making some sort of private agreements, and
do not to discuss it on the list.

Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.

Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.

чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:

> Dmitriy,
>
> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not ready. We
> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include it into
> 2.7.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I missed
> it.
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This is a
> > huge
> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be able
> to
> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29 Oct)
> > > >
> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope, isn't
> > it? I
> > > > find it very important.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[dmagda]

>
> Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.


It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions related to
a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go through the dev
list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that architectural
and release decisions need to be done publicly.

Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw that it was
questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.

*Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current status of the
service grid?

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If it is
> not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
>
> I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> According to the statement "our current agreement"
> I can suspect some members are making some sort of private agreements, and
> do not to discuss it on the list.
>
> Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
>
> Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Dmitriy,
>>
>> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not ready. We
>> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include it into
>> 2.7.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I missed
>> it.
>> >
>> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>> >
>> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This is a
>> > huge
>> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be
>> able to
>> > > review/fix/test it properly.
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
>> >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29 Oct)
>> > > >
>> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope, isn't
>> > it? I
>> > > > find it very important.
>> > > >
>> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]
>> >:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Hello, Vova.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
>> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
>> [hidden email]
>> > >:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Vova,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>

[Vladimir Ozerov]

Folks,

Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through this thread
and search for "service" word.

On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:

> >
> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
>
>
> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions related to
> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go through the dev
> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that architectural
> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
>
> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw that it was
> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
>
> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current status of the
> service grid?
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If it is
> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> >
> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private agreements,
> and
> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> >
> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
> >
> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >> Dmitriy,
> >>
> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not ready.
> We
> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include it
> into
> >> 2.7.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I missed
> >> it.
> >> >
> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >> >
> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This is
> a
> >> > huge
> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be
> >> able to
> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]
> >> >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29
> Oct)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope,
> isn't
> >> > it? I
> >> > > > find it very important.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> [hidden email]
> >> >:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> >> [hidden email]
> >> > >:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Vova,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > --
> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is now.

We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite understand
what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing something'.

About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
discussions on the list. But it is another story.

чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:

> Folks,
>
> Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through this thread
> and search for "service" word.
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
>> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
>>
>>
>> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions related to
>> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go through the
>> dev
>> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that architectural
>> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
>>
>> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw that it
>> was
>> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
>>
>> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current status of the
>> service grid?
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If it
>> is
>> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
>> >
>> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
>> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
>> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private agreements,
>> and
>> > do not to discuss it on the list.
>> >
>> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
>> >
>> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
>> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
>> >
>> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>> >
>> >> Dmitriy,
>> >>
>> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not ready.
>> We
>> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include it
>> into
>> >> 2.7.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I
>> missed
>> >> it.
>> >> >
>> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]
>> >:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This
>> is a
>> >> > huge
>> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be
>> >> able to
>> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
>> [hidden email]
>> >> >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29
>> Oct)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope,
>> isn't
>> >> > it? I
>> >> > > > find it very important.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
>> [hidden email]
>> >> >:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
>> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
>> >> [hidden email]
>> >> > >:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Vova,
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > --
>> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>>
>

[Andrey Kuznetsov]

Igniters,

I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7 release.

Do you agree?

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731

чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:

> I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is now.
>
> We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite understand
> what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing something'.
>
> About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> discussions on the list. But it is another story.
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through this thread
> > and search for "service" word.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
> >>
> >>
> >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions related
> to
> >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go through the
> >> dev
> >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> architectural
> >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> >>
> >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw that it
> >> was
> >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> >>
> >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current status of
> the
> >> service grid?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If it
> >> is
> >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> >> >
> >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private agreements,
> >> and
> >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> >> >
> >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
> >> >
> >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache Way.
> >> >
> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >> >
> >> >> Dmitriy,
> >> >>
> >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not
> ready.
> >> We
> >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include it
> >> into
> >> >> 2.7.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I
> >> missed
> >> >> it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> [hidden email]
> >> >:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope. This
> >> is a
> >> >> > huge
> >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not be
> >> >> able to
> >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> >> [hidden email]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct - 29
> >> Oct)
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope,
> >> isn't
> >> >> > it? I
> >> >> > > > find it very important.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> >> [hidden email]
> >> >> >:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> >> >> [hidden email]
> >> >> > >:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > --
> >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

--
Best regards,
  Andrey Kuznetsov.

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.

It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.

чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>:

> Igniters,
>
> I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7 release.
>
> Do you agree?
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is now.
> >
> > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite understand
> > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing something'.
> >
> > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through this
> thread
> > > and search for "service" word.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache
> Way.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions
> related
> > to
> > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go through
> the
> > >> dev
> > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> > architectural
> > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > >>
> > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw that
> it
> > >> was
> > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > >>
> > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current status of
> > the
> > >> service grid?
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If
> it
> > >> is
> > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > >> >
> > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private
> agreements,
> > >> and
> > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > >> >
> > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
> > >> >
> > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache
> Way.
> > >> >
> > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not
> > ready.
> > >> We
> > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include
> it
> > >> into
> > >> >> 2.7.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > [hidden email]>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I
> > >> missed
> > >> >> it.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > [hidden email]
> > >> >:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope.
> This
> > >> is a
> > >> >> > huge
> > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not
> be
> > >> >> able to
> > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > >> [hidden email]
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct -
> 29
> > >> Oct)
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope,
> > >> isn't
> > >> >> > it? I
> > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > >> [hidden email]
> > >> >> >:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > >> >> [hidden email]
> > >> >> > >:
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > > --
> > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > >> >> > > > > >
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>   Andrey Kuznetsov.
>

[daradurvs]

Hi Igniters!

As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.

About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then
the solution is not ready to merge yet.
I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be
able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.

[1] http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
>
> It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Igniters,
> >
> > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7 release.
> >
> > Do you agree?
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is now.
> > >
> > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite understand
> > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing something'.
> > >
> > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through this
> > thread
> > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache
> > Way.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions
> > related
> > > to
> > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go through
> > the
> > > >> dev
> > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> > > architectural
> > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > >>
> > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw that
> > it
> > > >> was
> > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > >>
> > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current status of
> > > the
> > > >> service grid?
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s) first. If
> > it
> > > >> is
> > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private
> > agreements,
> > > >> and
> > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the Apache
> > Way.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]
> > >:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not
> > > ready.
> > > >> We
> > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to include
> > it
> > > >> into
> > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > >> >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread? Probably I
> > > >> missed
> > > >> >> it.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > >> >:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope.
> > This
> > > >> is a
> > > >> >> > huge
> > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will not
> > be
> > > >> >> able to
> > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > >> [hidden email]
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1 Oct -
> > 29
> > > >> Oct)
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in scope,
> > > >> isn't
> > > >> >> > it? I
> > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > >> [hidden email]
> > > >> >> >:
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > >> >> > >:
> > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > >> >> > > > >
> > > >> >> > > >
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> >

--
Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'm not
happy about cases when we are hurrying.

We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions to
finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from commercial
companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? Did
someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?

Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If contribor
does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making decision
to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
something.

Sincerely
Dmitriy Pavlov

чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Igniters!
>
> As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
>
> About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then
> the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be
> able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
>
> [1]
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> >
> > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7
> release.
> > >
> > > Do you agree?
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is
> now.
> > > >
> > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite
> understand
> > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing something'.
> > > >
> > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through this
> > > thread
> > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> Apache
> > > Way.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions
> > > related
> > > > to
> > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go
> through
> > > the
> > > > >> dev
> > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> > > > architectural
> > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw
> that
> > > it
> > > > >> was
> > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current
> status of
> > > > the
> > > > >> service grid?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> first. If
> > > it
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private
> > > agreements,
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service Grid
> > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> Apache
> > > Way.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is not
> > > > ready.
> > > > >> We
> > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to
> include
> > > it
> > > > >> into
> > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread?
> Probably I
> > > > >> missed
> > > > >> >> it.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > >> >:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of scope.
> > > This
> > > > >> is a
> > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We will
> not
> > > be
> > > > >> >> able to
> > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1
> Oct -
> > > 29
> > > > >> Oct)
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in
> scope,
> > > > >> isn't
> > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > >> >> >:
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > >> >> > >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > >
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>

[Vladimir Ozerov]

Dmitry,

Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we can
wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features ready
by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And
while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd features
cannot be used by anyone.

This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it should be
moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason to
have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.



On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'm not
> happy about cases when we are hurrying.
>
> We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions to
> finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from commercial
> companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? Did
> someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
>
> Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If contribor
> does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making decision
> to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
> something.
>
> Sincerely
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hi Igniters!
> >
> > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> >
> > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then
> > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be
> > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > >
> > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7
> > release.
> > > >
> > > > Do you agree?
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is
> > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite
> > understand
> > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> something'.
> > > > >
> > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through
> this
> > > > thread
> > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service
> Grid
> > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> > Apache
> > > > Way.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private discussions
> > > > related
> > > > > to
> > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go
> > through
> > > > the
> > > > > >> dev
> > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> > > > > architectural
> > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I saw
> > that
> > > > it
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current
> > status of
> > > > > the
> > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > first. If
> > > > it
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private
> > > > agreements,
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an agreement.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service
> Grid
> > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> > Apache
> > > > Way.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is
> not
> > > > > ready.
> > > > > >> We
> > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to
> > include
> > > > it
> > > > > >> into
> > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread?
> > Probably I
> > > > > >> missed
> > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >> >:
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of
> scope.
> > > > This
> > > > > >> is a
> > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We
> will
> > not
> > > > be
> > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization* (1
> > Oct -
> > > > 29
> > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still in
> > scope,
> > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> >
>

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

My point we can wait a bit for services because
1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release in
October
2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in
autumn, it is a well known and important feature.

So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.

Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to master/ready
to merge to master and to 2.7.


пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:

> Dmitry,
>
> Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we can
> wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features ready
> by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And
> while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd features
> cannot be used by anyone.
>
> This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it should be
> moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason to
> have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'm
> not
> > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> >
> > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions to
> > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> commercial
> > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? Did
> > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> >
> > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If contribor
> > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making decision
> > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
> > something.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Hi Igniters!
> > >
> > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > >
> > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then
> > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be
> > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > >
> > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Igniters,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It
> looks
> > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7
> > > release.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status is
> > > now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite
> > > understand
> > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > something'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a few
> > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through
> > this
> > > > > thread
> > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <[hidden email]
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service
> > Grid
> > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> > > Apache
> > > > > Way.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> discussions
> > > > > related
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go
> > > through
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I
> saw
> > > that
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current
> > > status of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > first. If
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen), but
> > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private
> > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> agreement.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that Service
> > Grid
> > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> > > Apache
> > > > > Way.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it is
> > not
> > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to
> > > include
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread?
> > > Probably I
> > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of
> > scope.
> > > > > This
> > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We
> > will
> > > not
> > > > > be
> > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization*
> (1
> > > Oct -
> > > > > 29
> > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still
> in
> > > scope,
> > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > >
> >
>

[Vladimir Ozerov]

Dmitriy,

Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single
feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
delayed?

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:

> My point we can wait a bit for services because
> 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release in
> October
> 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in
> autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
>
> So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
>
> Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to master/ready
> to merge to master and to 2.7.
>
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Dmitry,
> >
> > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we
> can
> > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features ready
> > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And
> > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> features
> > cannot be used by anyone.
> >
> > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it should
> be
> > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason to
> > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you. I'm
> > not
> > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > >
> > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions to
> > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > commercial
> > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community? Did
> > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > >
> > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> contribor
> > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> decision
> > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
> > > something.
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > >
> > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > >
> > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > >
> > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow then
> > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will be
> > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It
> > looks
> > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before
> 2.7
> > > > release.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what status
> is
> > > > now.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't quite
> > > > understand
> > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > something'.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a
> few
> > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went through
> > > this
> > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> Service
> > > Grid
> > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> > > > Apache
> > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > discussions
> > > > > > related
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should go
> > > > through
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree, that
> > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where I
> > saw
> > > > that
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the current
> > > > status of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > first. If
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen),
> but
> > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of private
> > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > agreement.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> Service
> > > Grid
> > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to the
> > > > Apache
> > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid - it
> is
> > > not
> > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try to
> > > > include
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread?
> > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out of
> > > scope.
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far, We
> > > will
> > > > not
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for stabilization*
> > (1
> > > > Oct -
> > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is still
> > in
> > > > scope,
> > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:

> Dmitriy,
>
> Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single
> feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> delayed?
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release in
> > October
> > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in
> > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> >
> > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> >
> > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> master/ready
> > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> >
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Dmitry,
> > >
> > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course we
> > can
> > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> ready
> > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen. And
> > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > features
> > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > >
> > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> should
> > be
> > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason
> to
> > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you.
> I'm
> > > not
> > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > >
> > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for contributions
> to
> > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > commercial
> > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community?
> Did
> > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > >
> > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > contribor
> > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > decision
> > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately discuss
> > > > something.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely
> > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > >
> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > >
> > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing the
> > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > >
> > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow
> then
> > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov will
> be
> > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of days.
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after commit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It
> > > looks
> > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing before
> > 2.7
> > > > > release.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> status
> > is
> > > > > now.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't
> quite
> > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > > something'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has quite a
> > few
> > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> through
> > > > this
> > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > Service
> > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to
> the
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > discussions
> > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should
> go
> > > > > through
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree,
> that
> > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion where
> I
> > > saw
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or not.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> current
> > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can happen),
> > but
> > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> private
> > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > Service
> > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to
> the
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid -
> it
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to try
> to
> > > > > include
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some thread?
> > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out
> of
> > > > scope.
> > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so far,
> We
> > > > will
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> stabilization*
> > > (1
> > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is
> still
> > > in
> > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Mmuzaf]

Andrey, Dmitry,

> I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
critical enough and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7 release.

I've found that commit [2] is also lead the exchange worker to hang in my
branch related to IGNITE-7196.
Not sure, I'm able to fix the whole [1] issue, but I will take a look at it.

[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
[2]
https://github.com/apache/ignite/commit/2f72fe758d4256c4eb4610e5922ad3d174b43dc5



On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 11:11 Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]> wrote:

> No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Dmitriy,
> >
> > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single
> > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> > delayed?
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release
> in
> > > October
> > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in
> > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > >
> > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > >
> > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > master/ready
> > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > >
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Dmitry,
> > > >
> > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course
> we
> > > can
> > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> > ready
> > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen.
> And
> > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > features
> > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > >
> > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > should
> > > be
> > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason
> > to
> > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you.
> > I'm
> > > > not
> > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> contributions
> > to
> > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > commercial
> > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community?
> > Did
> > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > > contribor
> > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > > decision
> > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> discuss
> > > > > something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing
> the
> > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow
> > then
> > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> will
> > be
> > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of
> days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after
> commit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1].
> It
> > > > looks
> > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
> before
> > > 2.7
> > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> > status
> > > is
> > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't
> > quite
> > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has
> quite a
> > > few
> > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> > through
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > Service
> > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to
> > the
> > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should
> > go
> > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree,
> > that
> > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion
> where
> > I
> > > > saw
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or
> not.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> > current
> > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can
> happen),
> > > but
> > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> > private
> > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > Service
> > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to
> > the
> > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid -
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to
> try
> > to
> > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
> thread?
> > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out
> > of
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so
> far,
> > We
> > > > > will
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> > stabilization*
> > > > (1
> > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is
> > still
> > > > in
> > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov
> <
> > > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

--
--
Maxim Muzafarov

[Vladimir Ozerov]

Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to *community* to decide whether
something goes to 2.7”.

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:

> No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Dmitriy,
> >
> > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a single
> > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> > delayed?
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do release
> in
> > > October
> > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared in
> > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > >
> > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > >
> > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > master/ready
> > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > >
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Dmitry,
> > > >
> > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of course
> we
> > > can
> > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> > ready
> > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen.
> And
> > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > features
> > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > >
> > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > should
> > > be
> > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole reason
> > to
> > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with you.
> > I'm
> > > > not
> > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > >
> > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> contributions
> > to
> > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > commercial
> > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside community?
> > Did
> > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > > contribor
> > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > > decision
> > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> discuss
> > > > > something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > >
> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing
> the
> > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow
> > then
> > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> will
> > be
> > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of
> days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after
> commit.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1].
> It
> > > > looks
> > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
> before
> > > 2.7
> > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> > status
> > > is
> > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't
> > quite
> > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has
> quite a
> > > few
> > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> > through
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > Service
> > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to
> > the
> > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything should
> > go
> > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However, agree,
> > that
> > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion
> where
> > I
> > > > saw
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or
> not.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> > current
> > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can
> happen),
> > > but
> > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> > private
> > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > Service
> > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according to
> > the
> > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service Grid -
> > it
> > > is
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to
> try
> > to
> > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
> thread?
> > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is out
> > of
> > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so
> far,
> > We
> > > > > will
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> > stabilization*
> > > > (1
> > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is
> > still
> > > > in
> > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey Kuznetsov
> <
> > > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

Hi Maxim,

Once 1) you are sure that commit is related to the failure, and 2) in case
contributors are not responding,
please let me know, probably we need to open one more separate topic about
revert.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:15, Maxim Muzafarov <[hidden email]>:

> Andrey, Dmitry,
>
> > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> critical enough and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7 release.
>
> I've found that commit [2] is also lead the exchange worker to hang in my
> branch related to IGNITE-7196.
> Not sure, I'm able to fix the whole [1] issue, but I will take a look at
> it.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> [2]
>
> https://github.com/apache/ignite/commit/2f72fe758d4256c4eb4610e5922ad3d174b43dc5
>
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 11:11 Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Dmitriy,
> > >
> > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a
> single
> > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> > > delayed?
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do
> release
> > in
> > > > October
> > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared
> in
> > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > > >
> > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > > >
> > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > > master/ready
> > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > >
> > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of
> course
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> > > ready
> > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen.
> > And
> > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > > features
> > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole
> reason
> > > to
> > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with
> you.
> > > I'm
> > > > > not
> > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> > contributions
> > > to
> > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > > commercial
> > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside
> community?
> > > Did
> > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > > > contribor
> > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > > > decision
> > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> > discuss
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing
> > the
> > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow
> > > then
> > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of
> > days.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after
> > commit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see
> [1].
> > It
> > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
> > before
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> > > status
> > > > is
> > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't
> > > quite
> > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has
> > quite a
> > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> > > through
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything
> should
> > > go
> > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However,
> agree,
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion
> > where
> > > I
> > > > > saw
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or
> > not.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> > > current
> > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can
> > happen),
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> > > private
> > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service
> Grid -
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to
> > try
> > > to
> > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
> > thread?
> > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is
> out
> > > of
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so
> > far,
> > > We
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> > > stabilization*
> > > > > (1
> > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is
> > > still
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey
> Kuznetsov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --
> --
> Maxim Muzafarov
>

[Dmitriy Pavlov]

Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make any decisions about
services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".

If so, please forgive me my confusion.

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:

> Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to *community* to decide whether
> something goes to 2.7”.
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > Dmitriy,
> > >
> > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a
> single
> > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to be
> > > delayed?
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do
> release
> > in
> > > > October
> > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared
> in
> > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > > >
> > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > > >
> > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > > master/ready
> > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > >
> > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of
> course
> > we
> > > > can
> > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool features
> > > ready
> > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never happen.
> > And
> > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > > features
> > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > > should
> > > > be
> > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole
> reason
> > > to
> > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release happen.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with
> you.
> > > I'm
> > > > > not
> > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> > contributions
> > > to
> > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > > commercial
> > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside
> community?
> > > Did
> > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30 September?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > > > contribor
> > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of making
> > > > decision
> > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> > discuss
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > >
> > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > [hidden email]
> > > >:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm finalizing
> > the
> > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze tomorrow
> > > then
> > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of
> > days.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after
> > commit.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see
> [1].
> > It
> > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
> > before
> > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> > > status
> > > > is
> > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I don't
> > > quite
> > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to doing/releasing
> > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has
> > quite a
> > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> > > through
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything
> should
> > > go
> > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However,
> agree,
> > > that
> > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion
> > where
> > > I
> > > > > saw
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or
> > not.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> > > current
> > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can
> > happen),
> > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> > > private
> > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control, that
> > > > Service
> > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly according
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service
> Grid -
> > > it
> > > > is
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was to
> > try
> > > to
> > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
> > thread?
> > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is
> out
> > > of
> > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so
> > far,
> > > We
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy Pavlov
> <
> > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> > > stabilization*
> > > > > (1
> > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid is
> > > still
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay
> Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey
> Kuznetsov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[Alexey Goncharuk]

I think if a commit does not lead to any test failure in the current
master, there are no reasons to revert the commit. If there are valid
scenarios which are failing, corresponding tests should be added and the
root cause should be fixed under a separate issue.

пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Maxim,
>
> Once 1) you are sure that commit is related to the failure, and 2) in case
> contributors are not responding,
> please let me know, probably we need to open one more separate topic about
> revert.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:15, Maxim Muzafarov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Andrey, Dmitry,
> >
> > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see [1]. It looks
> > critical enough and can be a good candidate for fixing before 2.7
> release.
> >
> > I've found that commit [2] is also lead the exchange worker to hang in my
> > branch related to IGNITE-7196.
> > Not sure, I'm able to fix the whole [1] issue, but I will take a look at
> > it.
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/ignite/commit/2f72fe758d4256c4eb4610e5922ad3d174b43dc5
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2018 at 11:11 Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >
> > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a
> > single
> > > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to
> be
> > > > delayed?
> > > >
> > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do
> > release
> > > in
> > > > > October
> > > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared
> > in
> > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > > > >
> > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > > > >
> > > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > > > master/ready
> > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of
> > course
> > > we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool
> features
> > > > ready
> > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never
> happen.
> > > And
> > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > > > features
> > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole
> > reason
> > > > to
> > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release
> happen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with
> > you.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> > > contributions
> > > > to
> > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside
> > community?
> > > > Did
> > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30
> September?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of
> making
> > > > > decision
> > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> > > discuss
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm
> finalizing
> > > the
> > > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze
> tomorrow
> > > > then
> > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of
> > > days.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after
> > > commit.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see
> > [1].
> > > It
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
> > > before
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> > > > status
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I
> don't
> > > > quite
> > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to
> doing/releasing
> > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has
> > > quite a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> > > > through
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control,
> that
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly
> according
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything
> > should
> > > > go
> > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However,
> > agree,
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion
> > > where
> > > > I
> > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or
> > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> > > > current
> > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can
> > > happen),
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control,
> that
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly
> according
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service
> > Grid -
> > > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was
> to
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
> > > thread?
> > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so
> > > far,
> > > > We
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid
> is
> > > > still
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay
> > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey
> > Kuznetsov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > --
> > --
> > Maxim Muzafarov
> >
>

[dsetrakyan]

If services is not ready, which it is not, then we should include them into
the next release. There is no need to force them into 2.7. I suggest we
move according to the schedule we all agreed on.

D.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Yes, so correct statement is "community did not make any decisions about
> services not go to 2.7/ services are out of scope".
>
> If so, please forgive me my confusion.
>
> пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:19, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Exactly. So correct statement is “it is up to *community* to decide
> whether
> > something goes to 2.7”.
> >
> > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:11, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > > No, it is up to the community to discuss after their review results.
> > >
> > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:09, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > > Dmitriy,
> > > >
> > > > Did I read your words correctly that it is up to implementor of a
> > single
> > > > feature to decide whether release of all other features and fixes to
> be
> > > > delayed?
> > > >
> > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 11:00, Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > My point we can wait a bit for services because
> > > > > 1  we are open-minded and we don't have outside pressure to do
> > release
> > > in
> > > > > October
> > > > > 2  and services it is not some new feature, which suddenly appeared
> > in
> > > > > autumn, it is a well known and important feature.
> > > > >
> > > > > So it is up to Vyacheslav, Anton and Nikolay to decide.
> > > > >
> > > > > Decisions can be services are not ready/ready to merge only to
> > > > master/ready
> > > > > to merge to master and to 2.7.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 10:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> [hidden email]
> > >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Community agreement was to perform the release in October. Of
> > course
> > > we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > wait a bit for services. Then we wait a bit for other cool
> features
> > > > ready
> > > > > > by that time, then again and again, and release will never
> happen.
> > > And
> > > > > > while we are waiting for new features to come, already completerd
> > > > > features
> > > > > > cannot be used by anyone.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is why we have an agreement that if feature is not ready, it
> > > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > moved to future release, instead of shifting release. The sole
> > reason
> > > > to
> > > > > > have strict dates when decisions are made is to let release
> happen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 2:22 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vladimir,  I'm not searching for enemy, and not fighting with
> > you.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > happy about cases when we are hurrying.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can't fix test, fill ticket details, can't wait for
> > > contributions
> > > > to
> > > > > > > finish their tasks.  It is not best idea to use experience from
> > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > > companies in open source. Are there any pressure outside
> > community?
> > > > Did
> > > > > > > someone promised rest of features to be released at 30
> September?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's remember principle do-orcracy, power of those who do. If
> > > > > contribor
> > > > > > > does change and reviewer does review, let's give right of
> making
> > > > > decision
> > > > > > > to them, but not to some closed club of people who privately
> > > discuss
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sincerely
> > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 23:42 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > [hidden email]
> > > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I have written about Service Grid before [1] I'm
> finalizing
> > > the
> > > > > > > > solution to be sure that implementation is reliable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About including it in 2.7, if we talk that code freeze
> tomorrow
> > > > then
> > > > > > > > the solution is not ready to merge yet.
> > > > > > > > I hope that prereviewers Anton Vinogradov and Nikolay Izhikov
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > able to answer if solution out of scope or not in a couple of
> > > days.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Apache-Ignite-2-7-release-td34076.html#a34485
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 11:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, I agree, NPE during WAL flush is definitely a blocker.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is strange why the current test set did not fail after
> > > commit.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 21:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <
> > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Igniters,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I've bumped into a new bug in WAL manager recently, see
> > [1].
> > > It
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > critical enough, and can be a good candidate for fixing
> > > before
> > > > > 2.7
> > > > > > > > release.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you agree?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9731
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:45, Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I need Vhyacheslav's opinion to be absolutely sure what
> > > > status
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > now.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We never committed to dates of release, as well. I
> don't
> > > > quite
> > > > > > > > understand
> > > > > > > > > > > what can mean 'the community committed to
> doing/releasing
> > > > > > > something'.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > About SG, I also concerned why such a big feature has
> > > quite a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > > > > > > discussions on the list. But it is another story.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 19:33, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for enemies everywhere. Just went
> > > > through
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > > > > > and search for "service" word.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM Denis Magda <
> > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control,
> that
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly
> according
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> It's fine when committers/contributors have private
> > > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > > > related
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> a feature they've been working on. Not everything
> > should
> > > > go
> > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> dev
> > > > > > > > > > > >> list. Otherwise, it will be inundated.  However,
> > agree,
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > architectural
> > > > > > > > > > > >> and release decisions need to be done publicly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Speaking about Service Grid, there was a discussion
> > > where
> > > > I
> > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > >> was
> > > > > > > > > > > >> questionable whether it gets added to the release or
> > > not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> *Vladislav*, could you please shed some light on the
> > > > current
> > > > > > > > status of
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > >> service grid?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:12 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Ok, let's wait for feedback from SG
> > > > Author(s)/Reviewer(s)
> > > > > > > > first. If
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > >> is
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > not ready, ok. But I thought it is almost done.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I apologize if I missed some discussion (it can
> > > happen),
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > According to the statement "our current agreement"
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > I can suspect some members are making some sort of
> > > > private
> > > > > > > > > > agreements,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > do not to discuss it on the list.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Let's build consensus here first, and then name an
> > > > > > agreement.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Denis, as PMC Chair, could you please control,
> that
> > > > > Service
> > > > > > > Grid
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > inclusion/exclusion is discussed properly
> according
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Apache
> > > > > > > > > > Way.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:55, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> This is an outcome of current state of Service
> > Grid -
> > > > it
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > > ready.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> We
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> never committed to have it to 2.7. Our goal was
> to
> > > try
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > > >> into
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> 2.7.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:48 PM Dmitriy Pavlov <
> > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > Could you please provide a reference to some
> > > thread?
> > > > > > > > Probably I
> > > > > > > > > > > >> missed
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:46, Vladimir Ozerov <
> > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Our current agreement is that Service Grid is
> > out
> > > > of
> > > > > > > scope.
> > > > > > > > > > This
> > > > > > > > > > > >> is a
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > huge
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > feature, which hasn't entered review stage so
> > > far,
> > > > We
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> able to
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > review/fix/test it properly.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 6:32 PM Dmitriy
> Pavlov
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > I agree, and I prefer four weeks for
> > > > stabilization*
> > > > > > (1
> > > > > > > > Oct -
> > > > > > > > > > 29
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Oct)
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > Do I understand it correctly: Service Grid
> is
> > > > still
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > scope,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > it? I
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > find it very important.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г. в 18:28, Nikolay
> > Izhikov <
> > > > > > > > > > > >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Hello, Vova.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > Thank you for clear release status.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > I'm +1 for your proposal.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > чт, 27 сент. 2018 г., 18:25 Alexey
> > Kuznetsov
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> [hidden email]
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Vova,
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Huge +1 to do a stabilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > >   Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>