Hello, Yuriy
What is consequences of this issue? How user can reproduce it? В Чт, 04/10/2018 в 15:02 +0300, Yuriy Babak пишет: > Igniters, > > We have new ticket related with TensorFlow integration: > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9788 > > From my point of view this fix is important for release and I want to > include it to 2.7. > > Any objections? > > пн, 20 авг. 2018 г. в 21:22, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > I'm release manager of Apache Ignite 2.7. > > > > It's time to start discussion of release. [1] > > > > Current code freeze date is September, 30. > > If you have any objections - please, responsd to this thread. > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/Apache+Ignite+2.7 |
Hi, Yury, Nikolay.
This issue reproduces in "TensorFlow on Apache Ignite" use cases. When user prepares training script (like official MNIST model https://github.com/tensorflow/models/tree/master/official/mnist), runs it in distributed standalone client mode (see this documentation https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/tree/master/tensorflow/contrib/distribute#standalone-client-mode) using IgniteDataset he can see that workers throw exceptions says that IgniteDataset operation is not loaded. For more information about distributed training please see https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtYmyaT4dPBNp1mWkCczOdCZHt2xaqB183honfMup3g/edit documentation. -- Sent from: http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/ |
Helo, Dmitriy.
I looked at patch. Seems it local for a ML module. Is it's true I'm +1 to include it to 2.7. В Чт, 04/10/2018 в 08:33 -0500, dmitrievanthony пишет: > Hi, Yury, Nikolay. > > This issue reproduces in "TensorFlow on Apache Ignite" use cases. When user > prepares training script (like official MNIST model > https://github.com/tensorflow/models/tree/master/official/mnist), runs it in > distributed standalone client mode (see this documentation > https://github.com/tensorflow/tensorflow/tree/master/tensorflow/contrib/distribute#standalone-client-mode) > using IgniteDataset he can see that workers throw exceptions says that > IgniteDataset operation is not loaded. > > For more information about distributed training please see > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PtYmyaT4dPBNp1mWkCczOdCZHt2xaqB183honfMup3g/edit > documentation. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/ |
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Ignite committers,
I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 and master? [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737 ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > Alexey. > > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) > > Thanks, for a clarification. > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First > one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during > WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL > flush). > > > > --AG > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > Release scope is frozen. > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this > thread. > > > > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, > IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. > > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really > > > > important problem is discussed. > > > > > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still > included into > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI > 2.6 > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > [hidden email]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about > Apache Way. > > > > > > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be > vetoed. > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 > binding and > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and > can't be > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should > be > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of > > > > > understanding is not a justification. > > > > > > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the > bugs > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a > couple of > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is > possible to > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm > sorry for > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against > ignite-2.6 > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've > brought it > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email] > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain > impact* > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive > discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if > > > > > > > > > > > > persistence > > > > > > > > enabled). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until > we're sure > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the > case. I > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such > problems > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and > usability > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently > in the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 > and > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov < > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impact to > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do > not > > > > > > > > > > strive > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > impact is explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in > FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in > archiver - > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. > I almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my > > > > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > best to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. > I think > > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the > moment. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include > them into > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be > moved > > > > > > > > > > furhter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on > their final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stages > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), > another > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test > > > > > > > > > > failures), > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, > Java 9+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these > tickets are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grouped > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress over > this week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I > do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "must-have" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly > handles > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache > Ignite 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only > previously > > > > > > > > > > > > announces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE > ALL > > > > > > > > > > TASKS > > > > > > > FOR 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DUE > > > > > > > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets > planned > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker > > > > > > > > > > friendly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reminder > > > > > > > > > > > #1, > > > > > > > > > > > > *the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey > Gura > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to > ignite-2.7 > > > > > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical > worker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > termination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see > [1]. Also, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trivial > > > > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any > > > > > > > > > > objections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all > Igniters > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to > log 'some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not > always > > > > > > > > > > > > valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community > > > > > > > > > > actions; > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope > all > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's > concerns. I > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 > scope, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience > shows, that > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take > weeks to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible > that at > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > day in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about > testing? > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regressions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you > that > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. > This is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that > our > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to > contributor's > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this > false > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > puts us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > rush. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, > testing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't > we just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is > very far > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus > from > > > > > > > > > > dates > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that > potential merge > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defeat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and > versioning will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it > is > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket > [1] to > > > > > > > > > > > > track > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new > features, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > 9:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can > agree. SG > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, > features like > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, > including > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, > together with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runs. > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I > think it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on the > > > > > > > > > > testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > 10:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I > think you're > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > do'er, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust > your > > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I > have > > > > > > > > > > spare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в > 20:34, > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping > in and > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > release > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 > at 10:30 > > > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we > shouldn't put so > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and > important as > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point > we all > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about: > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can > significally > > > > > > > > > > improve > > > > > > > Ignite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have > it in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my > vision of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aligned* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir > Ozerov, > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on > dev-list. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state > - *on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time > with this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix > my > > > > > > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wants > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on > > > > > > > > > > dev-list*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the > review - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have > two > > > > > > > > > > > > mutually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 > in planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > release > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we > preparing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > of SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to > master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes > sense > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в > 19:47 > > > > > > > > > > > > +0300, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is > aligned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mention was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me > some > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it > instead of > > > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of > the Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do-ocracy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not > just > > > > > > > > > > > > disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I > mean > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. > If > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers > agree, > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 > г. в > > > > > > > > > > > > 19:39, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[hidden email]> -- Best regards, Andrey Kuznetsov. |
Igniters,
I reviewed Spring Session integration [1] and propose to move it to the next release. The reason is that current implementation has a number of performance issues, had potential bugs which are yet to be covered with tests, and possible lacks some features which other vendors like Hazelcast or GemFire have. I left respective comments in the ticket. As our goal is to have competitive implementation, it is better to exclude it out of AI 2.7 scope to have enough time. Vladimir. [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9676 On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 11:17 AM Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]> wrote: > Ignite committers, > > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 and > master? > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737 > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > Alexey. > > > > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) > > > > Thanks, for a clarification. > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First > > one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during > > WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL > > flush). > > > > > > --AG > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > Release scope is frozen. > > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in > this > > thread. > > > > > > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, > > IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. > > > > > > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 > > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really > > > > > important problem is discussed. > > > > > > > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still > > included into > > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without > > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is > AI > > 2.6 > > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > [hidden email]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about > > Apache Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be > > vetoed. > > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 > > binding and > > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and > > can't be > > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should > > be > > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of > > > > > > understanding is not a justification. > > > > > > > > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where > the > > bugs > > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are > all > > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a > > couple of > > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is > > possible to > > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email] > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm > > sorry for > > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against > > ignite-2.6 > > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've > > brought it > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov < > [hidden email] > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain > > impact* > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? > > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? > > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive > > discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid > (if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistence > > > > > > > > > enabled). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until > > we're sure > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not > the > > case. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and > > usability > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: > > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from > 2.7 > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov < > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impact to > > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we > do > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > strive > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > impact is explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in > > FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in > > archiver - > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. > > I almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do > my > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > > best to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. > > I think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the > > moment. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include > > them into > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be > > moved > > > > > > > > > > > > furhter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on > > their final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stages > > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test > > > > > > > > > > > > failures), > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new > modules, > > Java 9+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these > > tickets are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grouped > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress over > > this week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I > > do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "must-have" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly > > handles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay > > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache > > Ignite 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only > > previously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > announces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or > *MERGE > > ALL > > > > > > > > > > > > TASKS > > > > > > > > FOR 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DUE > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for > new > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this > ticker > > > > > > > > > > > > friendly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reminder > > > > > > > > > > > > #1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > *the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey > > Gura > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to > > ignite-2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > > soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM > Andrey > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical > > worker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > termination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see > > [1]. Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trivial > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to > merge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any > > > > > > > > > > > > objections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, > Dmitriy > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as > an > > almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all > > Igniters > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to > > log 'some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of > community > > > > > > > > > > > > actions; > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely > hope > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 > +0300, > > Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's > > concerns. I > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a > > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? 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Accepting a patch > with > > deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to > > contributor's > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this > > false > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > puts us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > rush. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, > > testing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why > don't > > we just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is > > very far > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > dates > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that > > potential merge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defeat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and > > versioning will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once > it > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket > > [1] to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > track > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to > be > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > > 9:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can > > agree. SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, > > features like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, > > including > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > > > 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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on > the > > > > > > > > > > > > testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > > 10:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I > > think you're > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > do'er, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if > I > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > spare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в > > 20:34, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping > > in and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > 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I think, we > have > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 > > in planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG > in > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we > > preparing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > of SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to > > master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it > makes > > sense > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в > > 19:47 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +0300, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is > > aligned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mention was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > |
In reply to this post by Andrey Kuznetsov
Igniters,
Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is it possible to postpone till 2.8? [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > Ignite committers, > > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 > and master? > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737 > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > >> Alexey. >> >> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) >> >> Thanks, for a clarification. >> >> >> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: >> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First >> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during >> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL >> flush). >> > >> > --AG >> > >> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: >> > > Hello, Igniters. >> > > >> > > Release scope is frozen. >> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in >> this thread. >> > > >> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, >> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. >> > > >> > > >> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 >> > > >> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 >> > > >> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: >> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really >> > > > important problem is discussed. >> > > > >> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still >> included into >> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without >> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is >> AI 2.6 >> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. >> > > > >> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < >> [hidden email]> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Nikolay, >> > > > > >> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about >> Apache Way. >> > > > > >> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be >> vetoed. >> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 >> binding and >> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. >> > > > > >> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and >> can't be >> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should >> be >> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of >> > > > > understanding is not a justification. >> > > > > >> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where >> the bugs >> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all >> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a >> couple of >> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is >> possible to >> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. >> > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely, >> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov >> > > > > >> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm >> sorry for >> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against >> ignite-2.6 >> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've >> brought it >> > > > > >> > > > > with >> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email] >> >: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain >> impact* >> > > > > >> > > > > of >> > > > > > a >> > > > > > > bug. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? >> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? >> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive >> discussion? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: >> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if >> > > > > > >> > > > > > persistence >> > > > > > > > enabled). >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until >> we're sure >> > > > > >> > > > > it >> > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not >> the case. I >> > > > > > >> > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such >> problems >> > > > > >> > > > > exist >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and >> usability >> > > > > >> > > > > of >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > product. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: >> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently >> in the >> > > > > >> > > > > same >> > > > > > > area >> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from >> 2.7 and >> > > > > > >> > > > > > research >> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely, >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov < >> [hidden email]>: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What >> is the >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > impact to >> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we >> do not >> > > > > >> > > > > strive >> > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release >> scope, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > unless >> > > > > > > > > impact is explained. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vladimir. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < >> [hidden email]>: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in >> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It >> > > > > > >> > > > > > looks >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > like a >> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < >> > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > : >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, >> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < >> > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > : >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in >> archiver - >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. >> I almost >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > fixed >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it. >> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, >> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < >> > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > : >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do >> my >> > > > > >> > > > > absolute >> > > > > > > best to >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. >> I think >> > > > > > >> > > > > > most >> > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > > > > > : >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the >> moment. All >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > these >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets >> > > > > > > > > > > > were >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include >> them into >> > > > > >> > > > > AI >> > > > > > > 2.7 >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > scope. >> > > > > > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be >> moved >> > > > > >> > > > > furhter. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on >> their final >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > review >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > stages >> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), >> another >> > > > > >> > > > > big >> > > > > > > part >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test >> > > > > >> > > > > failures), >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > another >> > > > > > > > > > > > big >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new >> modules, Java 9+ >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > support, >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these >> tickets are >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > grouped >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > around >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress over >> this week >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > should >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > very >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy >> Setrakyan < >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I >> do not >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > believe all >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > these >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave >> only >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "must-have" >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets >> > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir >> Ozerov < >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly >> handles >> > > > > > >> > > > > > tickets >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > without >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay >> Izhikov < >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache >> Ignite 2.7 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only >> previously >> > > > > > >> > > > > > announces >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > features. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or >> *MERGE ALL >> > > > > >> > > > > TASKS >> > > > > > > FOR 2.7 >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > DUE >> > > > > > > > > > > > TO >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new >> > > > > >> > > > > features. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets >> planned >> > > > > >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > 2.7 >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > version >> > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this >> ticker >> > > > > >> > > > > friendly >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > reminder >> > > > > > > > > > > #1, >> > > > > > > > > > > > *the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey >> Gura >> > > > > >> > > > > пишет: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to >> ignite-2.7 >> > > > > >> > > > > branch >> > > > > > > soon. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey >> > > > > >> > > > > Kuznetsov >> > > > > > < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical >> worker >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > termination >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see >> [1]. Also, >> > > > > >> > > > > we >> > > > > > > have >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > trivial >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to >> merge. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any >> > > > > >> > > > > objections? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, >> Dmitriy Pavlov < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as >> an almost >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > healthy >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all >> Igniters >> > > > > >> > > > > to >> > > > > > > discuss >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > things >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to >> log 'some >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > pre-build >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not >> always >> > > > > > >> > > > > > valid. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of >> community >> > > > > >> > > > > actions; >> > > > > > > it is >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely >> hope all >> > > > > > >> > > > > > similar >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > decisions >> > > > > > > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, >> Nikolay >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Izhikov >> > > > > > > < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 >> +0300, Vladimir >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ozerov >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > пишет: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's >> concerns. I >> > > > > >> > > > > do >> > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > see a >> > > > > > > > > > > > single >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 >> scope, >> > > > > >> > > > > but >> > > > > > > we are >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > still >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience >> shows, that >> > > > > >> > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > feature >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take >> weeks to be >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > finalized >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > after >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible >> that at >> > > > > >> > > > > some >> > > > > > > day in >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > October >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about >> testing? >> > > > > >> > > > > What >> > > > > > > about >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming >> you that >> > > > > >> > > > > from >> > > > > > > Monday >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > lot >> > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. >> This is >> > > > > >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > sole >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > purpose >> > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch >> with deep >> > > > > > >> > > > > > rework >> > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ignite >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that >> our >> > > > > >> > > > > effrots >> > > > > > > will be >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > lost. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to >> contributor's >> > > > > >> > > > > time. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this >> false >> > > > > >> > > > > hope >> > > > > > > puts us >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > at >> > > > > > > > > > > > rush. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, >> testing. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Result is >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > known - >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why >> don't we just >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > want to >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > move >> > > > > > > > > > > > it to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is >> very far >> > > > > >> > > > > from >> > > > > > > being >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ready. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus >> from >> > > > > >> > > > > dates >> > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > quality >> > > > > > > > > > > > of the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that >> potential merge >> > > > > > >> > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > defeat >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 >> AM >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Vyacheslav >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Daradur >> > > > > > > > > > > < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and >> versioning will >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > not be >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once >> it is >> > > > > > >> > > > > > finished. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket >> [1] to >> > > > > > >> > > > > > track >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > phase 1 >> > > > > > > > > > > > scope. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new >> features, >> > > > > >> > > > > but >> > > > > > > we >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > completely >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to >> be more >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > reliable and >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > we >> > > > > > > > > > > > build >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at >> 9:38 PM >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Dmitriy >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can >> agree. SG >> > > > > > >> > > > > > redesign >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > includes: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, >> features like >> > > > > > >> > > > > > these >> > > > > > > take >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > about >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, >> including >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > redeployment >> > > > > > > > > > > > tests >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, >> together with >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > overnight >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > runs. >> > > > > > > > > > > > If >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, >> I think it >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > would be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into >> the >> > > > > >> > > > > release. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on >> the >> > > > > >> > > > > testing? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at >> 10:38 AM >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dmitriy >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I >> think you're >> > > > > >> > > > > a >> > > > > > > do'er, >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but >> > > > > > > > > > > > not a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust >> your >> > > > > >> > > > > opinion. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if >> I have >> > > > > >> > > > > spare >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > cycles. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в >> 20:34, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Denis >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Magda < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping >> in and >> > > > > > >> > > > > > giving >> > > > > > > more >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > context. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to >> option *a*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should >> release >> > > > > >> > > > > 2.7 >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should >> plan 2.8 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release at >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC >> stabilization >> > > > > >> > > > > tasks. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 >> at 10:30 >> > > > > >> > > > > AM >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikolay >> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we >> shouldn't put so >> > > > > > >> > > > > > many >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > emotions >> > > > > > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and >> important as >> > > > > > >> > > > > > SG >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > redesign. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point >> we all >> > > > > > >> > > > > > agreed >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > about: >> > > > > > > > > > > > Service >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can >> significally >> > > > > >> > > > > improve >> > > > > > > Ignite. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to >> have it in >> > > > > >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > product. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my >> vision of >> > > > > >> > > > > the >> > > > > > > current >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > task >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > state: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG is >> discussed >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > *and >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > aligned* >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir >> Ozerov, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Alexey >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on >> dev-list. >> > > > > >> > > > > This >> > > > > > > task >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > > done. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR >> state - *on my >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > review*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time >> with this >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > contribution >> > > > > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can >> fix my >> > > > > > >> > > > > > comments >> > > > > > > in a >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > day >> > > > > > > > > > > or >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of >> Anton >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vinogradov >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > review >> > > > > > > > > > > > on >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any >> community >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > member >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wants >> > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *by >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on >> > > > > >> > > > > dev-list*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to >> the review - >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > you are >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here [1] >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we >> have two >> > > > > > >> > > > > > mutually >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 >> in planned >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > dates. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG >> in release >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > scope. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to >> option *a*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should >> release >> > > > > >> > > > > 2.7 >> > > > > > > with >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should >> plan 2.8 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release at >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC >> stabilization >> > > > > >> > > > > tasks. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we >> preparing >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release a >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lot >> > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to >> > > > > >> > > > > discussion >> > > > > > > of SG >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > release >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *when it >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to >> master*. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it >> makes sense >> > > > > >> > > > > for >> > > > > > > you? >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в >> 19:47 >> > > > > > >> > > > > > +0300, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy >> > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is >> aligned >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > totally. The >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > thread you >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mention was >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me >> some >> > > > > > >> > > > > > community >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > members >> > > > > > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it >> instead of >> > > > > > >> > > > > > doing. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of >> the Apache >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > community, >> > > > > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > > > > value >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do-ocracy and >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not >> just >> > > > > > >> > > > > > disagree. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There >> > > > > > > > > > > are >> > > > > > > > > > > > no >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaders >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in open >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I >> mean >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Nikolay >> > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, their >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight >> here. If >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Vladimir >> > > > > > > is >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ready >> > > > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lead >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG >> developers agree, >> > > > > >> > > > > it >> > > > > > > works >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > for >> > > > > > > > > > > me. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. >> 2018 г. в >> > > > > > >> > > > > > 19:39, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dmitriy >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <[hidden email]> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Andrey Kuznetsov. > -- Best regards, Andrey Kuznetsov. |
Igniters, Nikolay,
I've recently discovered an issue [1] which was causing test suite to quit on TC. The root cause of the issue was an incorrect handling of WAL archiver stop, which causes a failure propagated to the failure processor and lead to a JVM halt on each node stop. This is a regression compared from 2.6. I think it is worth including this fix to 2.7 given that the fix is ready and verified on TC. Please let me know if you have any objections. вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 19:00, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > Igniters, > > Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL > logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging > hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL > archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is > it possible to postpone till 2.8? > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > > > Ignite committers, > > > > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 > > and master? > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737 > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > >> Alexey. > >> > >> Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) > >> > >> Thanks, for a clarification. > >> > >> > >> В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > >> > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First > >> one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock > during > >> WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL > >> flush). > >> > > >> > --AG > >> > > >> > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > >> > > Hello, Igniters. > >> > > > >> > > Release scope is frozen. > >> > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in > >> this thread. > >> > > > >> > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, > >> IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 > >> > > > >> > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 > >> > > > >> > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > >> > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really > >> > > > important problem is discussed. > >> > > > > >> > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still > >> included into > >> > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets > without > >> > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is > >> AI 2.6 > >> > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. > >> > > > > >> > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> [hidden email]> > >> > > > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Nikolay, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about > >> Apache Way. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be > >> vetoed. > >> > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 > >> binding and > >> > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and > >> can't be > >> > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which > should > >> be > >> > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of > >> > > > > understanding is not a justification. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where > >> the bugs > >> > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are > all > >> > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a > >> couple of > >> > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is > >> possible to > >> > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email] > >: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm > >> sorry for > >> > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against > >> ignite-2.6 > >> > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've > >> brought it > >> > > > > > >> > > > > with > >> > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov < > [hidden email] > >> >: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to > *explain > >> impact* > >> > > > > > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > bug. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? > >> > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? > >> > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive > >> discussion? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > >> > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid > (if > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > persistence > >> > > > > > > > enabled). > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until > >> we're sure > >> > > > > > >> > > > > it > >> > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not > >> the case. I > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such > >> problems > >> > > > > > >> > > > > exist > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and > >> usability > >> > > > > > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > product. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: > >> > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently > >> in the > >> > > > > > >> > > > > same > >> > > > > > > area > >> > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from > >> 2.7 and > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > research > >> > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov < > >> [hidden email]>: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? > What > >> is the > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > impact to > >> > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we > >> do not > >> > > > > > >> > > > > strive > >> > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release > >> scope, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > unless > >> > > > > > > > > impact is explained. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > >> [hidden email]>: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in > >> FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > looks > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > like a > >> > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > : > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > : > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in > >> archiver - > >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761 > . > >> I almost > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > fixed > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < > >> > > > > > >> > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > : > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do > >> my > >> > > > > > >> > > > > absolute > >> > > > > > > best to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > finalize > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related > to. > >> I think > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > most > >> > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > > > > > : > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the > >> moment. All > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets > >> > > > > > > > > > > > were > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include > >> them into > >> > > > > > >> > > > > AI > >> > > > > > > 2.7 > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > scope. > >> > > > > > > > > > > I > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be > >> moved > >> > > > > > >> > > > > furhter. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on > >> their final > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > review > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > stages > >> > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin > Clients), > >> another > >> > > > > > >> > > > > big > >> > > > > > > part > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various > test > >> > > > > > >> > > > > failures), > >> > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > another > >> > > > > > > > > > > > big > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new > >> modules, Java 9+ > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > support, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these > >> tickets are > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > grouped > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > around > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress > over > >> this week > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > should > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > > very > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy > >> Setrakyan < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I > >> do not > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > believe all > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave > >> only > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "must-have" > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > tickets > >> > > > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir > >> Ozerov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly > >> handles > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > tickets > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > without > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay > >> Izhikov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache > >> Ignite 2.7 > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only > >> previously > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > announces > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > features. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or > >> *MERGE ALL > >> > > > > > >> > > > > TASKS > >> > > > > > > FOR 2.7 > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > DUE > >> > > > > > > > > > > > TO > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for > new > >> > > > > > >> > > > > features. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress > tickets > >> planned > >> > > > > > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > > > 2.7 > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > version > >> > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this > >> ticker > >> > > > > > >> > > > > friendly > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > reminder > >> > > > > > > > > > > #1, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > *the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, > Andrey > >> Gura > >> > > > > > >> > > > > пишет: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to > >> ignite-2.7 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > branch > >> > > > > > > soon. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM > Andrey > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Kuznetsov > >> > > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in > critical > >> worker > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > termination > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see > >> [1]. Also, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > we > >> > > > > > > have > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > trivial > >> > > > > > > > > > > > yet > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to > >> merge. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. > Any > >> > > > > > >> > > > > objections? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, > >> Dmitriy Pavlov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as > >> an almost > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > healthy > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all > >> Igniters > >> > > > > > >> > > > > to > >> > > > > > > discuss > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > things > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying > to > >> log 'some > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > pre-build > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are > not > >> always > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > valid. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of > >> community > >> > > > > > >> > > > > actions; > >> > > > > > > it is > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely > >> hope all > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > similar > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > decisions > >> > > > > > > > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, > >> Nikolay > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Izhikov > >> > > > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 > >> +0300, Vladimir > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Ozerov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's > >> concerns. I > >> > > > > > >> > > > > do > >> > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > see a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > single > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into > 2.7 > >> scope, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > but > >> > > > > > > we are > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > still > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience > >> shows, that > >> > > > > > >> > > > > any > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > feature > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take > >> weeks to be > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > finalized > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > after > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible > >> that at > >> > > > > > >> > > > > some > >> > > > > > > day in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > October > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about > >> testing? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > What > >> > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regressions > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming > >> you that > >> > > > > > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > > > Monday > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > > lot > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. > >> This is > >> > > > > > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > sole > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > purpose > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch > >> with deep > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > rework > >> > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Ignite > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that > >> our > >> > > > > > >> > > > > effrots > >> > > > > > > will be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > lost. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to > >> contributor's > >> > > > > > >> > > > > time. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that > this > >> false > >> > > > > > >> > > > > hope > >> > > > > > > puts us > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > at > >> > > > > > > > > > > > rush. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, > review, > >> testing. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Result is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > known - > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the > project. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why > >> don't we just > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > want to > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > move > >> > > > > > > > > > > > it to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is > >> very far > >> > > > > > >> > > > > from > >> > > > > > > being > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ready. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the > focus > >> from > >> > > > > > >> > > > > dates > >> > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > quality > >> > > > > > > > > > > > of the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that > >> potential merge > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > will > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > defeat > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at > 8:32 > >> AM > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Vyacheslav > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Daradur > >> > > > > > > > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and > >> versioning will > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > not be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > implemented > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once > >> it is > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > finished. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella > ticket > >> [1] to > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > track > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > phase 1 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new > >> features, > >> > > > > > >> > > > > but > >> > > > > > > we > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > completely > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to > >> be more > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > reliable and > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > we > >> > > > > > > > > > > > build > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > >> 9:38 PM > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dmitriy > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can > >> agree. SG > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > redesign > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > includes: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, > >> features like > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > take > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, > >> including > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > redeployment > >> > > > > > > > > > > > tests > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, > >> together with > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > overnight > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > runs. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, > >> I think it > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > would be > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into > >> the > >> > > > > > >> > > > > release. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on > >> the > >> > > > > > >> > > > > testing? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > >> 10:38 AM > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dmitriy > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I > >> think you're > >> > > > > > >> > > > > a > >> > > > > > > do'er, > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but > >> > > > > > > > > > > > not a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust > >> your > >> > > > > > >> > > > > opinion. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if > >> I have > >> > > > > > >> > > > > spare > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > cycles. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. > в > >> 20:34, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Magda < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping > >> in and > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > giving > >> > > > > > > more > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > context. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal > below: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > >> option *a*. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > >> release > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2.7 > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > >> plan 2.8 > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release at > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > >> stabilization > >> > > > > > >> > > > > tasks. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, > 2018 > >> at 10:30 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > AM > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Nikolay > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we > >> shouldn't put so > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > many > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > emotions > >> > > > > > > > > > > > in > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and > >> important as > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > SG > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > redesign. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point > >> we all > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > agreed > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > about: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Service > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can > >> significally > >> > > > > > >> > > > > improve > >> > > > > > > Ignite. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to > >> have it in > >> > > > > > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > product. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my > >> vision of > >> > > > > > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > > > current > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > task > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > state: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Design of SG > is > >> discussed > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > *and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > aligned* > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > both: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir > >> Ozerov, > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Alexey > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on > >> dev-list. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > This > >> > > > > > > task > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > done. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR > >> state - *on my > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > review*. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time > >> with this > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > contribution > >> > > > > > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can > >> fix my > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > comments > >> > > > > > > in a > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > day > >> > > > > > > > > > > or > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > two. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask > of > >> Anton > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Vinogradov > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > review > >> > > > > > > > > > > > on > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any > >> community > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > member > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > wants > >> > > > > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *by > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them > on > >> > > > > > >> > > > > dev-list*. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to > >> the review - > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > you are > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > welcome. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here [1] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we > >> have two > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > mutually > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > exclusive > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 > >> in planned > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > dates. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG > >> in release > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > scope. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > >> option *a*. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > >> release > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 2.7 > >> > > > > > > with > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > >> plan 2.8 > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release at > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > end of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > >> stabilization > >> > > > > > >> > > > > tasks. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we > >> preparing > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > release a > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lot > >> > > > > > > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back > to > >> > > > > > >> > > > > discussion > >> > > > > > > of SG > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > release > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
+1 from me.
В Вт, 09/10/2018 в 19:16 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > Igniters, Nikolay, > > I've recently discovered an issue [1] which was causing test suite to quit > on TC. The root cause of the issue was an incorrect handling of WAL > archiver stop, which causes a failure propagated to the failure processor > and lead to a JVM halt on each node stop. This is a regression compared > from 2.6. > I think it is worth including this fix to 2.7 given that the fix is ready > and verified on TC. > > Please let me know if you have any objections. > > вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 19:00, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > > > Igniters, > > > > Recently, I have filed an issue [1] that deals with possible hanging of WAL > > logging. I will appreciate your thoughts on its severity. To make logging > > hang two conditions should be satisfied: WAL mode is {{FSYNC}}, and WAL > > archiving is disabled. Should we investigate and fix this immediately or is > > it possible to postpone till 2.8? > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > вт, 9 окт. 2018 г. в 11:17, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > Ignite committers, > > > > > > I have prepared a PR for 2.7 blocker [1]. Could anybody merge it to 2.7 > > > and master? > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9737 > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 14:02, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > Alexey. > > > > > > > > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) > > > > > > > > Thanks, for a clarification. > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > > > > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First > > > > > > > > one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock > > > > during > > > > WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL > > > > flush). > > > > > > > > > > --AG > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > Release scope is frozen. > > > > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in > > > > > > > > this thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 > > > > > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really > > > > > > > important problem is discussed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still > > > > > > > > included into > > > > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets > > > > without > > > > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is > > > > > > > > AI 2.6 > > > > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about > > > > > > > > Apache Way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be > > > > > > > > vetoed. > > > > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 > > > > > > > > binding and > > > > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and > > > > > > > > can't be > > > > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which > > > > should > > > > be > > > > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of > > > > > > > > understanding is not a justification. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where > > > > > > > > the bugs > > > > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are > > > > all > > > > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a > > > > > > > > couple of > > > > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is > > > > > > > > possible to > > > > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email] > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm > > > > > > > > sorry for > > > > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against > > > > > > > > ignite-2.6 > > > > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've > > > > > > > > brought it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to > > > > *explain > > > > impact* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > bug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? > > > > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? > > > > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive > > > > > > > > discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid > > > > (if > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > persistence > > > > > > > > > > > enabled). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until > > > > > > > > we're sure > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not > > > > > > > > the case. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and > > > > > > > > usability > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: > > > > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from > > > > > > > > 2.7 and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? > > > > What > > > > is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impact to > > > > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we > > > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > strive > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release > > > > > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > > > > impact is explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov < > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in > > > > > > > > FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in > > > > > > > > archiver - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761 > > > > . > > > > I almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > > > > best to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related > > > > to. > > > > I think > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the > > > > > > > > moment. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include > > > > > > > > them into > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be > > > > > > > > moved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > furhter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on > > > > > > > > their final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stages > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin > > > > Clients), > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > failures), > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new > > > > > > > > modules, Java 9+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these > > > > > > > > tickets are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grouped > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress > > > > over > > > > this week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I > > > > > > > > do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "must-have" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir > > > > > > > > Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly > > > > > > > > handles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay > > > > > > > > Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache > > > > > > > > Ignite 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only > > > > > > > > previously > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > announces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or > > > > > > > > *MERGE ALL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TASKS > > > > > > > > > > FOR 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DUE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress > > > > tickets > > > > planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this > > > > > > > > ticker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > friendly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reminder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > #1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, > > > > Andrey > > > > Gura > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to > > > > > > > > ignite-2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > > > > soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM > > > > Andrey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in > > > > critical > > > > worker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > termination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see > > > > > > > > [1]. Also, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trivial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to > > > > > > > > merge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. > > > > Any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > objections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as > > > > > > > > an almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all > > > > > > > > Igniters > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying > > > > to > > > > log 'some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are > > > > not > > > > always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions; > > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely > > > > > > > > hope all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 > > > > > > > > +0300, Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's > > > > > > > > concerns. I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into > > > > 2.7 > > > > scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience > > > > > > > > shows, that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take > > > > > > > > weeks to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible > > > > > > > > that at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > day in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about > > > > > > > > testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regressions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming > > > > > > > > you that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. > > > > > > > > This is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch > > > > > > > > with deep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to > > > > > > > > contributor's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that > > > > this > > > > false > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > puts us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rush. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, > > > > review, > > > > testing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the > > > > project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why > > > > > > > > don't we just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is > > > > > > > > very far > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the > > > > focus > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that > > > > > > > > potential merge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defeat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at > > > > 8:32 > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and > > > > > > > > versioning will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella > > > > ticket > > > > [1] to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > track > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to > > > > > > > > be more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > > > > > > > > 9:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can > > > > > > > > agree. SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, > > > > > > > > features like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, > > > > > > > > together with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, > > > > > > > > I think it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > > > > > > > > 10:38 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, because I > > > > > > > > think you're > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > do'er, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if > > > > > > > > I have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > spare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. > > > > в > > > > 20:34, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping > > > > > > > > in and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal > > > > below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > > > > > > > > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > > > > > > > > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, > > > > 2018 > > > > at 10:30 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we > > > > > > > > shouldn't put so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and > > > > > > > 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I think, we > > > > > > > > have two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mutually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 > > > > > > > > in planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG > > > > > > > > in release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to > > > > > > > > option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should > > > > > > > > plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we > > > > > > > > preparing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > of SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
In reply to this post by Nikolay Izhikov-2
Hello, Igniters.
Today is a code freeze date but we still have 29 not merged tickets mapped to 2.7 release [1] It means: 1. We should continue work on 2.7 release and merge remaining tickets 2. Anyone who can help with #1, please, do it. 3. RC1 and further release builds will be created after all tickets will be merged. I will inform you about the progress on a daily basis. [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 14:02 +0300, Nikolay Izhikov пишет: > Alexey. > > Sorry, I lost link to IGNITE-9760 in this thread :) > > Thanks, for a clarification. > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:58 +0300, Alexey Goncharuk пишет: > > Nikolay, both commits fixed a regression compared to ignite-2.6. First one was mentioned by Anton Kalashnikov before (java-level deadlock during WAL flush), another - by Andrey Kuznetsov (NPE during a concurrent WAL flush). > > > > --AG > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 13:38, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > Release scope is frozen. > > > Please, if you include some new issues in release - discuss it in this thread. > > > > > > Alexey, can you, please, comment on including fix for IGNITE-9760, IGNITE-9761 in 2.7 branch. > > > > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=3355201f3e8cafd23b2250aaccccf3b91b8b8ed1 > > > https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=ignite.git;a=commit;h=9d6e6ff394c05ddf7ef31a9d9ed1b492d9eeba69 > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 13:24 +0300, Vladimir Ozerov пишет: > > > > Nobody vetos anything, let's stop use this term unless some really > > > > important problem is discussed. > > > > > > > > At this point we are in situation when new tickets are still included into > > > > the scope. All want to ask is to stop including new tickets without > > > > explaining on why they should be in AI 2.7. Regression between is AI 2.6 > > > > and AI 2.7 is enough. But "I found new NPE" is not. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:10 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > this has nothing about scaring someone. Let me explain about Apache Way. > > > > > > > > > > Voting -1 to release does not mean blocking it, release can't be vetoed. > > > > > Approving release is done by policy: majority approval. 3+1 binding and > > > > > more +1 than -1. Consensus approval is better but not mandatory. > > > > > > > > > > Instead, if PMC says -1 to code modification it means veto and can't be > > > > > bypassed to anyone. This is a very strong statement, which should be > > > > > applied reasonably and with technical justification. Lack of > > > > > understanding is not a justification. > > > > > > > > > > So my point instead of vetoing bugfix let's veto commits where the bugs > > > > > were introduced. I feel a number of bugs reported recently are all > > > > > connected to WalManager, and these bugs may come from just a couple of > > > > > fixes. PDS tests were quite stable last time, so I think it is possible to > > > > > find out why WAL crashes and hangs. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 10:05, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > For sure, I'm not an experienced Ignite contributor, so I'm sorry for > > > > > > intervening. I've just run the reproducer from [1] against ignite-2.6 > > > > > > branch and it has passed. So, it's not an legacy bug, we've brought it > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > some change of 2.7 scope. Is it still ok to ignore the bug? > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > ср, 3 окт. 2018 г. в 2:07, Nikolay Izhikov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Dmitriy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sorry, but I don't understand your concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir just asks experienced Ignite contributor to *explain impact* > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you scaring us with your "-1"? > > > > > > > Is it Apache Way to do so? > > > > > > > What should be done for you to return to a constructive discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Ср, 03/10/2018 в 00:23 +0300, Dmitriy Pavlov пишет: > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NPEs or hangs in WAL is a completely non-functional grid (if > > > > > > > > > > > > persistence > > > > > > > > enabled). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see no reasons to release 2.7 with such symptoms until we're sure > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > too rare/impossible to reproduce. But it seems it is not the case. I > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > definitely vote -1 for the release if I'm aware of such problems > > > > > > > > > > exist > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > were not researched. Community guarantees the quality and usability > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should ask and answer other questions: > > > > > > > > 1) why there are a lot of NPEs and hangs reported recently in the > > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > 2) and why we signed-off commit(s). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably we can identify and revert these commit(s) from 2.7 and > > > > > > > > > > > > research > > > > > > > > these failures in master (with no rush). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 23:54, Vladimir Ozerov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Andrey, Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How do you conclude that these tickets are blockers? What is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > impact to > > > > > > > > > users and in what circumstances users can met them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that we have many hundreds opened bugs, and yet we do not > > > > > > > > > > strive > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > include them all, because bug != blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So -1 from my side to including these tickets to release scope, > > > > > > > > > > > > unless > > > > > > > > > impact is explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 22:45, Andrey Kuznetsov <[hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've caught a bug [1] in FsyncModeFileWriteAheadLogManager. It > > > > > > > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like a > > > > > > > > > > release blocker to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9776 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:14, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Anton, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I definitely agree it is a blocker. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вт, 2 окт. 2018 г. в 13:09, Anton Kalashnikov < > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have one more possible blockers - deadlock in archiver - > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9761. I almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fixed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems it should be include to scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton Kalashnikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 02.10.2018, 00:08, "Dmitriy Setrakyan" < > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, got it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 1:14 PM Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here I agree with Vladimir. Furthermore, I do my > > > > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > best to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalize > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all reviews in all 2.7 tickets I'm related to. I think > > > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contributors doing the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 23:03, Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is precisely the scope we have at the moment. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > considered carefully on whether to include them into > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say that 10-15% of current tickets may be moved > > > > > > > > > > furhter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Third of current tickets are features on their final > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stages > > > > > > > > > > > > (e.g. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TDE, MVCC invoke, TensorFlow, Thin Clients), another > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > part > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization tickets (mainly - various test > > > > > > > > > > failures), > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > part is infrastructure (adopting new modules, Java 9+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > support, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc.). So > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > despite big absolute number, most of these tickets are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grouped > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > several big areas, and overall progress over this week > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:50 PM Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If this filter is for 2.7 release, then I do not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe all > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be closed. It would be nice to leave only > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "must-have" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and move the rest to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:02 AM Vladimir Ozerov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please use this filter, as it properly handles > > > > > > > > > > > > tickets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > without > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20(component%20is%20null%20or%20component%20not%20in%20(documentation)))%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:18 PM Nikolay Izhikov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I announce scope freeze for an Apache Ignite 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It means: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. We add to 2.7 only critical bugs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. We merge to 2.7 branch only previously > > > > > > > > > > > > announces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I expect we should exclude or *MERGE ALL > > > > > > > > > > TASKS > > > > > > > FOR 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DUE > > > > > > > > > > > > TO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OCTOBER > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 10*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the *October 10 is DEADLINE* for new > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For now we have 34 In Progress tickets planned > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > [1]. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So is you assigned to any of this ticker > > > > > > > > > > friendly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reminder > > > > > > > > > > > #1, > > > > > > > > > > > > *the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deadline is near :)*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-8803?jql=(project%20%3D%20%27Ignite%27%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20not%20empty%20AND%20fixVersion%20in%20(%272.7%27)%20AND%20status%20NOT%20IN%20(Resolved%2C%20Closed)%20and%20component%20!%3D%20documentation%20)%20ORDER%20BY%20priority%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пн, 01/10/2018 в 16:13 +0300, Andrey Gura > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree with Andrey. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IGNITE-9723 will be merged to ignite-2.7 > > > > > > > > > > branch > > > > > > > soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:56 PM Andrey > > > > > > > > > > Kuznetsov > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an inaccuracy in critical worker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > termination > > > > > > > > > > > > > > detection, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > working on a fix right now, see [1]. Also, > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trivial > > > > > > > > > > > > yet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > important > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix [2], this one is ready to merge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I deem both should get to 2.7. Any > > > > > > > > > > objections? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9744 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [2] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9723 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 1 окт. 2018 г. в 13:13, Dmitriy Pavlov < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can consider this thread as an almost > > > > > > > > > > > > > > healthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inclusion to 2.7. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the future, I encourage all Igniters > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on dev.list instead of trying to log 'some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > agreements' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. BTW > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such logged 'agreements' are not always > > > > > > > > > > > > valid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev list is not a log of community > > > > > > > > > > actions; > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > principal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > place where > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion runs. I sincerely hope all > > > > > > > > > > > > similar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > decisions > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > building on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the dev list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 30 сент. 2018 г. в 10:49, Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, guys. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I moved SG tasks to 2.8. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Сб, 29/09/2018 в 17:11 +0300, Vladimir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ozerov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully support Dmitry's concerns. I > > > > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see a > > > > > > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid to be included into 2.7 scope, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > we are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > keeping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > alive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What for? Our experience shows, that > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > consensus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > algorithms typically take weeks to be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > finalized > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > initial > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review. Yes, it is possible that at > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > day in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > October > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > see it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completed, but what about testing? > > > > > > > > > > What > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regressions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > components? Let me reming you that > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > Monday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > efforts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into project stabilization. This is > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > sole > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > purpose > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pre-release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase. Accepting a patch with deep > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > internals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > middle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of that process, means that our > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > will be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simply a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > matter of respect to contributor's > > > > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Another problem is that this false > > > > > > > > > > hope > > > > > > > puts us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > rush. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rush > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design, development, review, testing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Result is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > known - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes damage to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So my question is - why don't we just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > > it to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Feature is big, feature is very far > > > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > simple > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > action > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immediately shifts the focus from > > > > > > > > > > dates > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quality > > > > > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remove any risks that potential merge > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > defeat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stabilization > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > effrots > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > other contributors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daradur > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hot redeployment and versioning will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > implemented > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but it is scheduled once it is > > > > > > > > > > > > finished. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an umbrella ticket [1] to > > > > > > > > > > > > track > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > phase 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It includes very few new features, > > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rework > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to improve guarantees to be more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we > > > > > > > > > > > > build > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > base for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-9607 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 9:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure I can agree. SG > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > includes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - hot redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - versioning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, features like > > > > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > test > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and fix all the bugs, including > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redeployment > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > restart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tests > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger topologies, together with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > overnight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > runs. > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > type of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > testing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has not been performed, I think it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > unreasonable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > expect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature making it into the > > > > > > > > > > release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can someone comment on 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me, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example, I can trust your > > > > > > > > > > opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will join review if I have > > > > > > > > > > spare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в 20:34, > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Magda < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for stepping in and > > > > > > > > > > > > giving > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > general, I'm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your proposal below: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 10:30 > > > > > > > > > > AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > > > > > > Izhikov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Igniters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we shouldn't put so > > > > > > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > emotions > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even so big and important as > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The crucial point we all > > > > > > > > > > > > agreed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about: > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > big > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feature > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that can significally > > > > > > > > > > improve > > > > > > > Ignite. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all want to have it in > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > product. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me write my vision of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 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Design of SG is discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aligned* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > both: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > privately > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ignite > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experts(Vladimir Ozerov, > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Goncharyuk, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mekhanikov) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and publicly on dev-list. > > > > > > > > > > This > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > done. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Current PR state - *on my > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I spend some time with this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > feedback. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I expect he can fix my > > > > > > > > > > > > comments > > > > > > > in a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > two. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seem we can ask of Anton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vinogradov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > review > > > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > next > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Dmitriy or any community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > member > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wants > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussing them on > > > > > > > > > > dev-list*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, join to the review - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. I think, we have two > > > > > > > > > > > > mutually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > exclusive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > options > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a. We release 2.7 in planned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b. We include SG in release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My vote goes to option *a*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we should release > > > > > > > > > > 2.7 > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > bunch of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cool > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *AND* we should plan 2.8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > end of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > year with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > redesign > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and MVCC stabilization > > > > > > > > > > tasks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, while we preparing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's come back to > > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > of SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > version > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *when it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be merged to master*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, does it makes sense > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/4434 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > В Пт, 28/09/2018 в 19:47 > > > > > > > > > > > > +0300, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пишет: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The design is aligned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > totally. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thread you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mention was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > named > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems to me some > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > members > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > trying > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and lead it instead of > > > > > > > > > > > > doing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a member of the Apache > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do-ocracy and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do, but not just > > > > > > > > > > > > disagree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > leaders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > source, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do'ers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By do'ers here I mean > > > > > > > > > > > > Nikolay > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me, their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conclusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more weight here. If > > > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ready > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > additional > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SG > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and SG developers agree, > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > works > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пт, 28 сент. 2018 г. в > > > > > > > > > > > > 19:39, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Setrakyan < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We agreed in the > > > > > > > > > > beginning > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > thread > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going to make the > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > still did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > approve > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design. Nothing has > > > > > > > > > > > > changed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > since. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > design > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At this point, I have no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confidence > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Service Grid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it into the 2.8 release. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 2.7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > out > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Nikolay is a > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manager. > > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > let > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drive the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release. To > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my knowledge, he is > > > > > > > > > > doing > > > > > > a > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > job > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the schedule he > > > > > > > > > > proposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4:31 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dmitriy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavlov > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [hidden email]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dmitriy, Vladimir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suggest we stop this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nonsense > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > release > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dates-pushing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open question. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just because you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disagreed with > > > > > > > > > > |
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