[DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation

[Konstantin Boudnik-2]

Guys,

I want to drop it on the list and see what are the thoughts the PMC. I think
it would be very beneficial for the members of this community if we institute
a policy to have regular rotations of the Chair. We do this in Bigtop and it
works real well for a couple of reasons:
 - it provides an opportunity to anyone in the PMC to try this hat on and get
   more involved in the inner-workings of the ASF and see how the board operates
 - it guarantees that once you're a chair you aren't stuck holding the bag
   forever and can pass it on if your time allocation changes
 - such a policy makes the PMC very transparent

And of course it doesn't mean that a new person _has_ to be the chair each
cycle. The same chair should remain if no one is nominated or gets the
majority of the votes.

At Bigtop we passed a resolution to oblige the active chair to start the
[DISCUSS] thread at the end of his annual tenure and ask for nominations. The
active chair remains and no [VOTE] is needed if no nominations are made.
Pretty lazy and simple.

If people aren't familiar with what's the PMC Chair and why all that fuzz,
please read on
    https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
And I recommend everyone to take a look above PMC guide if you never seen it
before.

Thoughts?
  Cos

[Roman Shaposhnik]

Obviously I'm a big +1 on that proposal since I have seen it work
very well.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I want to drop it on the list and see what are the thoughts the PMC. I think
> it would be very beneficial for the members of this community if we institute
> a policy to have regular rotations of the Chair. We do this in Bigtop and it
> works real well for a couple of reasons:
>  - it provides an opportunity to anyone in the PMC to try this hat on and get
>    more involved in the inner-workings of the ASF and see how the board operates
>  - it guarantees that once you're a chair you aren't stuck holding the bag
>    forever and can pass it on if your time allocation changes
>  - such a policy makes the PMC very transparent
>
> And of course it doesn't mean that a new person _has_ to be the chair each
> cycle. The same chair should remain if no one is nominated or gets the
> majority of the votes.
>
> At Bigtop we passed a resolution to oblige the active chair to start the
> [DISCUSS] thread at the end of his annual tenure and ask for nominations. The
> active chair remains and no [VOTE] is needed if no nominations are made.
> Pretty lazy and simple.
>
> If people aren't familiar with what's the PMC Chair and why all that fuzz,
> please read on
>     https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> And I recommend everyone to take a look above PMC guide if you never seen it
> before.
>
> Thoughts?
>   Cos

[Sergi]

I believe Chair doesn't need our approval to start such a discussion :)
Probably we should set Chair reelection date to make this work?

Sergi


2015-09-10 2:39 GMT+03:00 Roman Shaposhnik <[hidden email]>:

> Obviously I'm a big +1 on that proposal since I have seen it work
> very well.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Guys,
> >
> > I want to drop it on the list and see what are the thoughts the PMC. I
> think
> > it would be very beneficial for the members of this community if we
> institute
> > a policy to have regular rotations of the Chair. We do this in Bigtop
> and it
> > works real well for a couple of reasons:
> >  - it provides an opportunity to anyone in the PMC to try this hat on
> and get
> >    more involved in the inner-workings of the ASF and see how the board
> operates
> >  - it guarantees that once you're a chair you aren't stuck holding the
> bag
> >    forever and can pass it on if your time allocation changes
> >  - such a policy makes the PMC very transparent
> >
> > And of course it doesn't mean that a new person _has_ to be the chair
> each
> > cycle. The same chair should remain if no one is nominated or gets the
> > majority of the votes.
> >
> > At Bigtop we passed a resolution to oblige the active chair to start the
> > [DISCUSS] thread at the end of his annual tenure and ask for
> nominations. The
> > active chair remains and no [VOTE] is needed if no nominations are made.
> > Pretty lazy and simple.
> >
> > If people aren't familiar with what's the PMC Chair and why all that
> fuzz,
> > please read on
> >     https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> > And I recommend everyone to take a look above PMC guide if you never
> seen it
> > before.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >   Cos
>

[Konstantin Boudnik-2]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 01:13PM, Sergi Vladykin wrote:
> I believe Chair doesn't need our approval to start such a discussion :)
> Probably we should set Chair reelection date to make this work?

No one needs any approvals to start something around here, clearly ;) The
point of this is to formalize the lazy fall-back instead of a hard action
items.

The keyword here is 'lazy' because this thing doesn't set a hard-date for the
"reelection" nor oblige anyone to even make the reelection happen. I think
this is one of those best engineering practices - "don't touch things if they
work". So if the current Chair "works" well - we don't need to touch it just
because we had set the reelection date. And as any good practice - it is quite
daoistic.

Cos

> 2015-09-10 2:39 GMT+03:00 Roman Shaposhnik <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Obviously I'm a big +1 on that proposal since I have seen it work
> > very well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I want to drop it on the list and see what are the thoughts the PMC. I
> > think
> > > it would be very beneficial for the members of this community if we
> > institute
> > > a policy to have regular rotations of the Chair. We do this in Bigtop
> > and it
> > > works real well for a couple of reasons:
> > >  - it provides an opportunity to anyone in the PMC to try this hat on
> > and get
> > >    more involved in the inner-workings of the ASF and see how the board
> > operates
> > >  - it guarantees that once you're a chair you aren't stuck holding the
> > bag
> > >    forever and can pass it on if your time allocation changes
> > >  - such a policy makes the PMC very transparent
> > >
> > > And of course it doesn't mean that a new person _has_ to be the chair
> > each
> > > cycle. The same chair should remain if no one is nominated or gets the
> > > majority of the votes.
> > >
> > > At Bigtop we passed a resolution to oblige the active chair to start the
> > > [DISCUSS] thread at the end of his annual tenure and ask for
> > nominations. The
> > > active chair remains and no [VOTE] is needed if no nominations are made.
> > > Pretty lazy and simple.
> > >
> > > If people aren't familiar with what's the PMC Chair and why all that
> > fuzz,
> > > please read on
> > >     https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> > > And I recommend everyone to take a look above PMC guide if you never
> > seen it
> > > before.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >   Cos
> >