[DISCUSS] PMC Chair rotation time

[Konstantin Boudnik-2]

As per the [VOTE] we held back in 2015, I'd like to start a discussion about
the PMC Chair for the next year. The original [VOTE] can be found in [1]

Please make your nominations. Once we have the list of the candidates we'll
start the [VOTE] to determine the "lucky" winner.

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/55ee3b1c07f6e37ff06b0ab8caa4ac13443b20ca2275546a60055964@1444775452@%3Cdev.ignite.apache.org%3E

--
Take care,
  Cos

[Anton Vinogradov-2]

Hi,

Since everything works fine, I see no reason to change anything, so,
Dmitriy Setrakyan is a proven candidate.
But, anyways, I cannot but mention another good candidate, who works a lot
to build this community, it is Denis Magda.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:

> As per the [VOTE] we held back in 2015, I'd like to start a discussion
> about
> the PMC Chair for the next year. The original [VOTE] can be found in [1]
>
> Please make your nominations. Once we have the list of the candidates we'll
> start the [VOTE] to determine the "lucky" winner.
>
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/55ee3b1c07f6e37ff06b0ab8caa4ac
> 13443b20ca2275546a60055964@1444775452@%3Cdev.ignite.apache.org%3E
>
> --
> Take care,
>   Cos
>
>

[Sergi]

I'd say that the most proved candidate is Vladimir Putin :) But I want to
nominate some more trusted guys to make sure that our election is true and
representative:

1. I want to nominate Vladimir Ozerov, who plays a big role in our
engineering efforts to make Apache Ignite successful.

2. Also I'd like to nominate Konstantin Boudnik who is the most experienced
Apache and who keeps the true Open Source Spirit in the project.

MAKE APACHE IGNITE GREAT AGAIN

Sergi



2016-11-01 17:20 GMT+03:00 Anton Vinogradov <[hidden email]>:

> Hi,
>
> Since everything works fine, I see no reason to change anything, so,
> Dmitriy Setrakyan is a proven candidate.
> But, anyways, I cannot but mention another good candidate, who works a lot
> to build this community, it is Denis Magda.
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > As per the [VOTE] we held back in 2015, I'd like to start a discussion
> > about
> > the PMC Chair for the next year. The original [VOTE] can be found in [1]
> >
> > Please make your nominations. Once we have the list of the candidates
> we'll
> > start the [VOTE] to determine the "lucky" winner.
> >
> > [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/55ee3b1c07f6e37ff06b0ab8caa4ac
> > 13443b20ca2275546a60055964@1444775452@%3Cdev.ignite.apache.org%3E
> >
> > --
> > Take care,
> >   Cos
> >
> >
>

[Denis Magda]

Fully support Cos’s proposal.

It’s always a good intention to rotate positions like this even if everything runs smooth under a supervision of the present chair. Moreover, Dmitriy deserved some time to relax for the great job he did under this role :)

From my side I would propose one more nominee - Valentin Kulichenko who brings significant efforts spreading out the knowledge in and out of the community, spends enormous amount of time assisting Ignite community and contributes to the overall future of the project.

As for my position, I’m not going to play mannerly games and would say that I’m ready to take over this role if the community decides so. Why? This is a matter of curiosity and abilities to make and learn more simply because you’ll be responsible for something new.

—
Denis

> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Sergi Vladykin <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I'd say that the most proved candidate is Vladimir Putin :) But I want to
> nominate some more trusted guys to make sure that our election is true and
> representative:
>
> 1. I want to nominate Vladimir Ozerov, who plays a big role in our
> engineering efforts to make Apache Ignite successful.
>
> 2. Also I'd like to nominate Konstantin Boudnik who is the most experienced
> Apache and who keeps the true Open Source Spirit in the project.
>
> MAKE APACHE IGNITE GREAT AGAIN
>
> Sergi
>
>
>
> 2016-11-01 17:20 GMT+03:00 Anton Vinogradov <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since everything works fine, I see no reason to change anything, so,
>> Dmitriy Setrakyan is a proven candidate.
>> But, anyways, I cannot but mention another good candidate, who works a lot
>> to build this community, it is Denis Magda.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> As per the [VOTE] we held back in 2015, I'd like to start a discussion
>>> about
>>> the PMC Chair for the next year. The original [VOTE] can be found in [1]
>>>
>>> Please make your nominations. Once we have the list of the candidates
>> we'll
>>> start the [VOTE] to determine the "lucky" winner.
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/55ee3b1c07f6e37ff06b0ab8caa4ac
>>> 13443b20ca2275546a60055964@1444775452@%3Cdev.ignite.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>> --
>>> Take care,
>>>  Cos
>>>
>>>
>>

[Konstantin Boudnik-2]

Just to reiterate the original premise for the rotation [1]:
<quote>
- it provides an opportunity to anyone in the PMC to try this hat on and get
more involved in the inner-workings of the ASF and see how the board operates
- it guarantees that once you're a chair you aren't stuck holding the bag
forever and can pass it on if your time allocation changes
- such a policy makes the PMC very transparent
</quote>

It ain't about supervision, as Chair doesn't have any magical powers over the
PMC. It is mostly about helping the board to provide a better view into the
project and be the representative of the board in the PMC. Most of the time it
is boring, but once in a while it might require quite a bit of an ability to
negotiate with people and be tasteful, if a situation gets sensitive for
whatever reason. Being a Chair doesn't mean he or she will lead the technical
side of the project: this responsibility comes as a consequence of one's merit,
rather than an official title of a sort.

[1] https://is.gd/bnVoaa

Cheers,
  Cos

On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 02:31PM, Denis Magda wrote:

> Fully support Cos’s proposal.
>
> It’s always a good intention to rotate positions like this even if
> everything runs smooth under a supervision of the present chair. Moreover,
> Dmitriy deserved some time to relax for the great job he did under this role :)
>
> From my side I would propose one more nominee - Valentin Kulichenko who
> brings significant efforts spreading out the knowledge in and out of the
> community, spends enormous amount of time assisting Ignite community and
> contributes to the overall future of the project.
>
> As for my position, I’m not going to play mannerly games and would say that
> I’m ready to take over this role if the community decides so. Why? This is a
> matter of curiosity and abilities to make and learn more simply because
> you’ll be responsible for something new.
>
> —
> Denis
>
> > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Sergi Vladykin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I'd say that the most proved candidate is Vladimir Putin :) But I want to
> > nominate some more trusted guys to make sure that our election is true and
> > representative:
> >
> > 1. I want to nominate Vladimir Ozerov, who plays a big role in our
> > engineering efforts to make Apache Ignite successful.
> >
> > 2. Also I'd like to nominate Konstantin Boudnik who is the most experienced
> > Apache and who keeps the true Open Source Spirit in the project.
> >
> > MAKE APACHE IGNITE GREAT AGAIN
> >
> > Sergi
> >
> >
> >
> > 2016-11-01 17:20 GMT+03:00 Anton Vinogradov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Since everything works fine, I see no reason to change anything, so,
> >> Dmitriy Setrakyan is a proven candidate.
> >> But, anyways, I cannot but mention another good candidate, who works a lot
> >> to build this community, it is Denis Magda.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> As per the [VOTE] we held back in 2015, I'd like to start a discussion
> >>> about
> >>> the PMC Chair for the next year. The original [VOTE] can be found in [1]
> >>>
> >>> Please make your nominations. Once we have the list of the candidates
> >> we'll
> >>> start the [VOTE] to determine the "lucky" winner.
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/55ee3b1c07f6e37ff06b0ab8caa4ac
> >>> 13443b20ca2275546a60055964@1444775452@%3Cdev.ignite.apache.org%3E
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Take care,
> >>>  Cos
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>

[dsetrakyan]

While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose Denis
Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does not only
have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall, including
website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.

D.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Just to reiterate the original premise for the rotation [1]:
> <quote>
> - it provides an opportunity to anyone in the PMC to try this hat on and
> get
> more involved in the inner-workings of the ASF and see how the board
> operates
> - it guarantees that once you're a chair you aren't stuck holding the bag
> forever and can pass it on if your time allocation changes
> - such a policy makes the PMC very transparent
> </quote>
>
> It ain't about supervision, as Chair doesn't have any magical powers over
> the
> PMC. It is mostly about helping the board to provide a better view into the
> project and be the representative of the board in the PMC. Most of the
> time it
> is boring, but once in a while it might require quite a bit of an ability
> to
> negotiate with people and be tasteful, if a situation gets sensitive for
> whatever reason. Being a Chair doesn't mean he or she will lead the
> technical
> side of the project: this responsibility comes as a consequence of one's
> merit,
> rather than an official title of a sort.
>
> [1] https://is.gd/bnVoaa
>
> Cheers,
>   Cos
>
> On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 02:31PM, Denis Magda wrote:
> > Fully support Cos’s proposal.
> >
> > It’s always a good intention to rotate positions like this even if
> > everything runs smooth under a supervision of the present chair.
> Moreover,
> > Dmitriy deserved some time to relax for the great job he did under this
> role :)
> >
> > From my side I would propose one more nominee - Valentin Kulichenko who
> > brings significant efforts spreading out the knowledge in and out of the
> > community, spends enormous amount of time assisting Ignite community and
> > contributes to the overall future of the project.
> >
> > As for my position, I’m not going to play mannerly games and would say
> that
> > I’m ready to take over this role if the community decides so. Why? This
> is a
> > matter of curiosity and abilities to make and learn more simply because
> > you’ll be responsible for something new.
> >
> > —
> > Denis
> >
> > > On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Sergi Vladykin <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'd say that the most proved candidate is Vladimir Putin :) But I want
> to
> > > nominate some more trusted guys to make sure that our election is true
> and
> > > representative:
> > >
> > > 1. I want to nominate Vladimir Ozerov, who plays a big role in our
> > > engineering efforts to make Apache Ignite successful.
> > >
> > > 2. Also I'd like to nominate Konstantin Boudnik who is the most
> experienced
> > > Apache and who keeps the true Open Source Spirit in the project.
> > >
> > > MAKE APACHE IGNITE GREAT AGAIN
> > >
> > > Sergi
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2016-11-01 17:20 GMT+03:00 Anton Vinogradov <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Since everything works fine, I see no reason to change anything, so,
> > >> Dmitriy Setrakyan is a proven candidate.
> > >> But, anyways, I cannot but mention another good candidate, who works
> a lot
> > >> to build this community, it is Denis Magda.
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 4:34 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> As per the [VOTE] we held back in 2015, I'd like to start a
> discussion
> > >>> about
> > >>> the PMC Chair for the next year. The original [VOTE] can be found in
> [1]
> > >>>
> > >>> Please make your nominations. Once we have the list of the candidates
> > >> we'll
> > >>> start the [VOTE] to determine the "lucky" winner.
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/
> 55ee3b1c07f6e37ff06b0ab8caa4ac
> > >>> 13443b20ca2275546a60055964@1444775452@%3Cdev.ignite.apache.org%3E
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Take care,
> > >>>  Cos
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
>

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose Denis
> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does not only
> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall, including
> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.

Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a somewhat
different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
a little bit.
Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on Ignite) member
of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my ASF
member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly contribute
to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation days
was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community development
front.

If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80% of project
members work for the same company) came up during our graduation. While
it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern. Monocultures
are really nasty for open source communities.

I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
improved much
diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
to a larger
extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that in order
to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
positive trajectory
in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it since.

With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
offer: a renewed
focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this premise than
somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to constantly
remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community would
be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
probably the
most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).

Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
that. But lets
face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
have any special
powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has to do
with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help quite a bit.

Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
commit to 6 more
months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community development -- they
would have my wholehearted support.

Thanks,
Roman (with my PMC member hat on).

[Konstantin Boudnik-2]

Ok,

This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!

looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE]. The
following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order of
their appearance on the thread):

  Dmitriy Setrakyan
  Vladimir Ozerov
  Konstantin Boudnik
  Valentin Kulichenko
  Denis Magda
  Branko Čibej
 
Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use First-past-the-post
voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
 
Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting

Thanks,
  Cos

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose Denis
> > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does not only
> > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall, including
> > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
>
> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a somewhat
> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> a little bit.
> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on Ignite) member
> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my ASF
> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly contribute
> to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation days
> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community development
> front.
>
> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80% of project
> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation. While
> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern. Monocultures
> are really nasty for open source communities.
>
> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> improved much
> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> to a larger
> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that in order
> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> positive trajectory
> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it since.
>
> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> offer: a renewed
> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this premise than
> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to constantly
> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community would
> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> probably the
> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
>
> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> that. But lets
> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> have any special
> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has to do
> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help quite a bit.
>
> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> commit to 6 more
> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community development -- they
> would have my wholehearted support.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).

[dsetrakyan]

Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
holidays at this moment.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ok,
>
> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
>
> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE]. The
> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order of
> their appearance on the thread):
>
>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
>   Vladimir Ozerov
>   Konstantin Boudnik
>   Valentin Kulichenko
>   Denis Magda
>   Branko Čibej
>
> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> First-past-the-post
> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
>
> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
>
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>
> Thanks,
>   Cos
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> Denis
> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does not
> only
> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> including
> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> >
> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> somewhat
> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> > a little bit.
> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on Ignite)
> member
> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> ASF
> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly contribute
> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation days
> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> development
> > front.
> >
> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80% of
> project
> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation. While
> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> Monocultures
> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> >
> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > improved much
> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> > to a larger
> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that in
> order
> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > positive trajectory
> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> since.
> >
> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> > offer: a renewed
> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> premise than
> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> constantly
> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> would
> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> > probably the
> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> >
> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> > that. But lets
> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> > have any special
> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> to do
> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help quite
> a bit.
> >
> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> > commit to 6 more
> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community development
> -- they
> > would have my wholehearted support.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
>

[dsetrakyan]

I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
this week.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> holidays at this moment.
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Ok,
>>
>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
>>
>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
>> The
>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
>> of
>> their appearance on the thread):
>>
>>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>   Vladimir Ozerov
>>   Konstantin Boudnik
>>   Valentin Kulichenko
>>   Denis Magda
>>   Branko Čibej
>>
>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
>> First-past-the-post
>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
>>
>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
>>
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>>
>> Thanks,
>>   Cos
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
>> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
>> Denis
>> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
>> not only
>> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
>> including
>> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
>> >
>> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
>> somewhat
>> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
>> > a little bit.
>> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
>> Ignite) member
>> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
>> ASF
>> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly contribute
>> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
>> days
>> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
>> development
>> > front.
>> >
>> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
>> of project
>> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation. While
>> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
>> Monocultures
>> > are really nasty for open source communities.
>> >
>> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
>> > improved much
>> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
>> > to a larger
>> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
>> in order
>> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
>> > positive trajectory
>> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
>> since.
>> >
>> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
>> > offer: a renewed
>> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
>> premise than
>> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
>> constantly
>> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
>> would
>> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
>> > probably the
>> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
>> >
>> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
>> > that. But lets
>> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
>> > have any special
>> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
>> to do
>> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help quite
>> a bit.
>> >
>> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
>> > commit to 6 more
>> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community development
>> -- they
>> > would have my wholehearted support.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
>>
>
>

[dmagda]

Igniters,

It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
before.

Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people


Denis


On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
> this week.
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > holidays at this moment.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ok,
> >>
> >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> >>
> >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
> >> The
> >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
> >> of
> >> their appearance on the thread):
> >>
> >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> >>   Denis Magda
> >>   Branko Čibej
> >>
> >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> >> First-past-the-post
> >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> >>
> >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>   Cos
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> >> Denis
> >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> >> not only
> >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> >> including
> >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> >> somewhat
> >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> >> > a little bit.
> >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> >> Ignite) member
> >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> >> ASF
> >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> contribute
> >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> >> days
> >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> >> development
> >> > front.
> >> >
> >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> >> of project
> >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> While
> >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> >> Monocultures
> >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> >> >
> >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> >> > improved much
> >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> >> > to a larger
> >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> >> in order
> >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> >> > positive trajectory
> >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> >> since.
> >> >
> >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> >> > offer: a renewed
> >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> >> premise than
> >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> >> constantly
> >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> >> would
> >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> >> > probably the
> >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> >> >
> >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> >> > that. But lets
> >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> >> > have any special
> >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> >> to do
> >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> quite
> >> a bit.
> >> >
> >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> >> > commit to 6 more
> >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> development
> >> -- they
> >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> >>
> >
> >
>

--
-
Denis

[daradurvs]

Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my opinion:

Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.

Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
expert with the project's architecture vision.

I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)




On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Igniters,
>
> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> before.
>
> Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
>
>
> Denis
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
> > this week.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > > holidays at this moment.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok,
> > >>
> > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > >>
> > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
> > >> The
> > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
> > >> of
> > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > >>
> > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > >>   Denis Magda
> > >>   Branko Čibej
> > >>
> > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > >> First-past-the-post
> > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > >>
> > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>   Cos
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> > >> Denis
> > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> > >> not only
> > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > >> including
> > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > >> >
> > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > >> somewhat
> > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> > >> > a little bit.
> > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > >> Ignite) member
> > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> > >> ASF
> > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > contribute
> > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> > >> days
> > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > >> development
> > >> > front.
> > >> >
> > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> > >> of project
> > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > While
> > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> > >> Monocultures
> > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > >> >
> > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > >> > improved much
> > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> > >> > to a larger
> > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> > >> in order
> > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > >> > positive trajectory
> > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> > >> since.
> > >> >
> > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> > >> > offer: a renewed
> > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > >> premise than
> > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > >> constantly
> > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> > >> would
> > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> > >> > probably the
> > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > >> >
> > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> > >> > that. But lets
> > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> > >> > have any special
> > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> > >> to do
> > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > quite
> > >> a bit.
> > >> >
> > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> > >> > commit to 6 more
> > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > development
> > >> -- they
> > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> -
> Denis

--
Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.

[Anton Vinogradov-2]

+1 to both.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:15 AM Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> opinion:
>
> Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
>
> Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> expert with the project's architecture vision.
>
> I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Igniters,
> >
> > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> > before.
> >
> > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a
> vote
> > > this week.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ok,
> > > >>
> > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>
> > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> [VOTE].
> > > >> The
> > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> order
> > > >> of
> > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>
> > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > >>
> > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>
> > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>   Cos
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> propose
> > > >> Denis
> > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > >> not only
> > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >> including
> > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >> somewhat
> > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > > >> > a little bit.
> > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >> Ignite) member
> > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with my
> > > >> ASF
> > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > contribute
> > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > > >> days
> > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >> development
> > > >> > front.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> 80%
> > > >> of project
> > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > While
> > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > >> Monocultures
> > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > >> > improved much
> > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this is,
> > > >> > to a larger
> > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> that
> > > >> in order
> > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> it
> > > >> since.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> could
> > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >> premise than
> > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > > >> constantly
> > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> community
> > > >> would
> > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> was
> > > >> > probably the
> > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> do
> > > >> > that. But lets
> > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > > >> > have any special
> > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that has
> > > >> to do
> > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > quite
> > > >> a bit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> to
> > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > development
> > > >> -- they
> > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Denis
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>

[Ivan Pavlukhin]

IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
more).

вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:

>
> Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my opinion:
>
> Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
>
> Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> expert with the project's architecture vision.
>
> I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Igniters,
> >
> > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> > before.
> >
> > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
> > > this week.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Ok,
> > > >>
> > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>
> > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
> > > >> The
> > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
> > > >> of
> > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>
> > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > >>
> > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>
> > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >>   Cos
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> > > >> Denis
> > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> > > >> not only
> > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >> including
> > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >> somewhat
> > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> > > >> > a little bit.
> > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >> Ignite) member
> > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
> > > >> ASF
> > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > contribute
> > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> > > >> days
> > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >> development
> > > >> > front.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> > > >> of project
> > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > While
> > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> > > >> Monocultures
> > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > > >> > improved much
> > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
> > > >> > to a larger
> > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> > > >> in order
> > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> > > >> since.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
> > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >> premise than
> > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > > >> constantly
> > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
> > > >> would
> > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> > > >> > probably the
> > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> > > >> > that. But lets
> > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> > > >> > have any special
> > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
> > > >> to do
> > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > quite
> > > >> a bit.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > development
> > > >> -- they
> > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Thanks,
> > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Denis
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.

--
Best regards,
Ivan Pavlukhin

[Ilya Kasnacheev]

Hello!

+1 to all three :)

Regards,
--
Ilya Kasnacheev


вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:24, Ivan Pavlukhin <[hidden email]>:

> IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
> invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
> more).
>
> вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> opinion:
> >
> > Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> > significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
> >
> > Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> > expert with the project's architecture vision.
> >
> > I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> like
> > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> fresh
> > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> considered
> > > before.
> > >
> > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > >
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> a vote
> > > > this week.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> and
> > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ok,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> [VOTE].
> > > > >> The
> > > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> the order
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> candidate
> > > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > >>   Cos
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > >> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> propose
> > > > >> Denis
> > > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > > >> not only
> > > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> overall,
> > > > >> including
> > > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer
> a
> > > > >> somewhat
> > > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > > > >> > a little bit.
> > > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > > >> Ignite) member
> > > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with my
> > > > >> ASF
> > > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > contribute
> > > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > > > >> days
> > > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > > >> development
> > > > >> > front.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> than 80%
> > > > >> of project
> > > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our
> graduation.
> > > > While
> > > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > > >> Monocultures
> > > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > > >> > improved much
> > > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this is,
> > > > >> > to a larger
> > > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> understood that
> > > > >> in order
> > > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball
> on it
> > > > >> since.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> Chair could
> > > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> this
> > > > >> premise than
> > > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> to
> > > > >> constantly
> > > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> community
> > > > >> would
> > > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> love" was
> > > > >> > probably the
> > > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair
> to do
> > > > >> > that. But lets
> > > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > > > >> > have any special
> > > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that has
> > > > >> to do
> > > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> help
> > > > quite
> > > > >> a bit.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> like to
> > > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > development
> > > > >> -- they
> > > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -
> > > Denis
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Ivan Pavlukhin
>

[dmagda]

Folks,

Any other candidates or opinions before I start the vote?

-
Denis


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 2:33 AM Ilya Kasnacheev <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> +1 to all three :)
>
> Regards,
> --
> Ilya Kasnacheev
>
>
> вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:24, Ivan Pavlukhin <[hidden email]>:
>
> > IMHO, today Dmitriy Pavlov is the best candidate for this role. He
> > invested a lot into community health and productivity (TC bot and much
> > more).
> >
> > вт, 22 окт. 2019 г. в 09:15, Vyacheslav Daradur <[hidden email]>:
> > >
> > > Igniters, I'd suggest 2 candidates who perfectly fit this role, in my
> > opinion:
> > >
> > > Nickolay Izhikov - one of the most active community member with the
> > > significant contributions, Ignite's evangelist and tech-speaker.
> > >
> > > Alexey Goncharuk - Ignite's veteran, one of the Ignite's code-base
> > > expert with the project's architecture vision.
> > >
> > > I hope they would like to be PMC Chair!)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 8:21 AM Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > like
> > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> this
> > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> already
> > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > fresh
> > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > considered
> > > > before.
> > > >
> > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> > a vote
> > > > > this week.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> > and
> > > > > > holidays at this moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> > [hidden email]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Ok,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > [VOTE].
> > > > > >> The
> > > > > >> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in
> > the order
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> their appearance on the thread):
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>   Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >>   Vladimir Ozerov
> > > > > >>   Konstantin Boudnik
> > > > > >>   Valentin Kulichenko
> > > > > >>   Denis Magda
> > > > > >>   Branko Čibej
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > > > >> First-past-the-post
> > > > > >> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> > candidate
> > > > > >> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks,
> > > > > >>   Cos
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > > > >> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > propose
> > > > > >> Denis
> > > > > >> > > Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the
> project
> > does
> > > > > >> not only
> > > > > >> > > have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project
> > overall,
> > > > > >> including
> > > > > >> > > website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to
> offer
> > a
> > > > > >> somewhat
> > > > > >> > different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > discussion
> > > > > >> > a little bit.
> > > > > >> > Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding
> (on
> > > > > >> Ignite) member
> > > > > >> > of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> > with my
> > > > > >> ASF
> > > > > >> > member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > > > contribute
> > > > > >> > to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > incubation
> > > > > >> days
> > > > > >> > was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the
> community
> > > > > >> development
> > > > > >> > front.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more
> > than 80%
> > > > > >> of project
> > > > > >> > members work for the same company) came up during our
> > graduation.
> > > > > While
> > > > > >> > it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> > concern.
> > > > > >> Monocultures
> > > > > >> > are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> > really
> > > > > >> > improved much
> > > > > >> > diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> > this is,
> > > > > >> > to a larger
> > > > > >> > extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well
> > understood that
> > > > > >> in order
> > > > > >> > to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate
> a
> > > > > >> > positive trajectory
> > > > > >> > in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball
> > on it
> > > > > >> since.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the
> > Chair could
> > > > > >> > offer: a renewed
> > > > > >> > focus on community growth and development. If you agree with
> > this
> > > > > >> premise than
> > > > > >> > somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing
> function
> > to
> > > > > >> constantly
> > > > > >> > remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > community
> > > > > >> would
> > > > > >> > be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough
> > love" was
> > > > > >> > probably the
> > > > > >> > most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair
> > to do
> > > > > >> > that. But lets
> > > > > >> > face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > really
> > > > > >> > have any special
> > > > > >> > powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> > that has
> > > > > >> to do
> > > > > >> > with external community the VP title that the chair gets can
> > help
> > > > > quite
> > > > > >> a bit.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would
> > like to
> > > > > >> > commit to 6 more
> > > > > >> > months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > > > development
> > > > > >> -- they
> > > > > >> > would have my wholehearted support.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Thanks,
> > > > > >> > Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -
> > > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Ivan Pavlukhin
> >
>

[Nikita Ivanov-2]

+1 Alexey Goncharuk
--
Nikita Ivanov

> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Igniters,
>
> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> before.
>
> Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
>
>
> Denis
>
>
>> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a vote
>> this week.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
>>> holidays at this moment.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok,
>>>>
>>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
>>>>
>>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to [VOTE].
>>>> The
>>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the order
>>>> of
>>>> their appearance on the thread):
>>>>
>>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
>>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
>>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
>>>>  Denis Magda
>>>>  Branko Čibej
>>>>
>>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
>>>> First-past-the-post
>>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
>>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
>>>>
>>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>  Cos
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
>>>> Denis
>>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
>>>> not only
>>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
>>>> including
>>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
>>>> somewhat
>>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
>>>>> a little bit.
>>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
>>>> Ignite) member
>>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with my
>>>> ASF
>>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
>> contribute
>>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
>>>> days
>>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
>>>> development
>>>>> front.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
>>>> of project
>>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
>> While
>>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
>>>> Monocultures
>>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
>>>>> improved much
>>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this is,
>>>>> to a larger
>>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
>>>> in order
>>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
>>>>> positive trajectory
>>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
>>>> since.
>>>>>
>>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair could
>>>>> offer: a renewed
>>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
>>>> premise than
>>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
>>>> constantly
>>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this community
>>>> would
>>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
>>>>> probably the
>>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
>>>>> that. But lets
>>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
>>>>> have any special
>>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that has
>>>> to do
>>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
>> quite
>>>> a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
>>>>> commit to 6 more
>>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
>> development
>>>> -- they
>>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> -
> Denis

[Dmitry Pavlov]

Hi Igniters,

I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current projects
not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.

I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control outside
and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing solution.

So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if Alexey
is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.

Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <[hidden email]>:

>
> +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> --
> Nikita Ivanov
>
> > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Igniters,
> >
> > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d like
> > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a fresh
> > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not considered
> > before.
> >
> > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> >
> >
> > Denis
> >
> >
> >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a
> vote
> >> this week.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> [hidden email]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> >>> holidays at this moment.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ok,
> >>>>
> >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> >>>>
> >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> [VOTE].
> >>>> The
> >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> order
> >>>> of
> >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> >>>>
> >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> >>>>  Denis Magda
> >>>>  Branko Čibej
> >>>>
> >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> >>>> First-past-the-post
> >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> >>>>
> >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>  Cos
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> >>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would propose
> >>>> Denis
> >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> >>>> not only
> >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> >>>> including
> >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> >>>> somewhat
> >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this discussion
> >>>>> a little bit.
> >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> >>>> Ignite) member
> >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with
> my
> >>>> ASF
> >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> >> contribute
> >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your incubation
> >>>> days
> >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> >>>> development
> >>>>> front.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than 80%
> >>>> of project
> >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> >> While
> >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> >>>> Monocultures
> >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> >>>>> improved much
> >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this
> is,
> >>>>> to a larger
> >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood that
> >>>> in order
> >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> >>>>> positive trajectory
> >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on it
> >>>> since.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> could
> >>>>> offer: a renewed
> >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> >>>> premise than
> >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> >>>> constantly
> >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> community
> >>>> would
> >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" was
> >>>>> probably the
> >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to do
> >>>>> that. But lets
> >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't really
> >>>>> have any special
> >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that
> has
> >>>> to do
> >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> >> quite
> >>>> a bit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like to
> >>>>> commit to 6 more
> >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> >> development
> >>>> -- they
> >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Denis
>

[Alexey Zinoviev]

Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?

Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?

Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than 1
candidate?

Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?

Thanks

чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Igniters,
>
> I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current projects
> not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
>
> I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
> Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control outside
> and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> solution.
>
> So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if Alexey
> is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
> would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <[hidden email]>:
>
> >
> > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > --
> > Nikita Ivanov
> >
> > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Igniters,
> > >
> > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> like
> > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in this
> > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re already
> > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> fresh
> > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> considered
> > > before.
> > >
> > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > >
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <[hidden email]
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start a
> > vote
> > >> this week.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > [hidden email]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel and
> > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[hidden email]
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Ok,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > [VOTE].
> > >>>> The
> > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> > order
> > >>>> of
> > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the candidate
> > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>  Cos
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > >>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> propose
> > >>>> Denis
> > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project does
> > >>>> not only
> > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > >>>> including
> > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > >>>> somewhat
> > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> discussion
> > >>>>> a little bit.
> > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > >>>> Ignite) member
> > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more with
> > my
> > >>>> ASF
> > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > >> contribute
> > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> incubation
> > >>>> days
> > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > >>>> development
> > >>>>> front.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> 80%
> > >>>> of project
> > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > >> While
> > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid concern.
> > >>>> Monocultures
> > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't really
> > >>>>> improved much
> > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that this
> > is,
> > >>>>> to a larger
> > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> that
> > >>>> in order
> > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> it
> > >>>> since.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> > could
> > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > >>>> premise than
> > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function to
> > >>>> constantly
> > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > community
> > >>>> would
> > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> was
> > >>>>> probably the
> > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> do
> > >>>>> that. But lets
> > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> really
> > >>>>> have any special
> > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything that
> > has
> > >>>> to do
> > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > >> quite
> > >>>> a bit.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> to
> > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > >> development
> > >>>> -- they
> > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -
> > > Denis
> >
>

[Anton Vinogradov-2]

More candidates:

- Alexey Zinoviev.
He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
BigData evangelist.

- Ivan Rakov.
He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change this.
Distributed systems evangelist and great lead.

- Denis Magda.
Keeping this stable is also the option.

- Pavel Tupitsyn.
Open-minded, experienced in global communications.

- Roman Shtykh.
Rocketmq and Ignite committer.
Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization.

- Vladimir Ozerov
Ignite and Hazelcast committer.
Man with really strong leadership skills.

- Yakov Zhdanov
Ignite's Godfather.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote?
>
> Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it?
>
> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than 1
> candidate?
>
> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be
> easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance?
>
> Thanks
>
> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current
> projects
> > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies.
> >
> > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC
> > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the
> > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control
> outside
> > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing
> > solution.
> >
> > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if
> Alexey
> > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it
> > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <[hidden email]>:
> >
> > >
> > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk
> > > --
> > > Nikita Ivanov
> > >
> > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Igniters,
> > > >
> > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d
> > like
> > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in
> this
> > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re
> already
> > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a
> > fresh
> > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not
> > considered
> > > > before.
> > > >
> > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members:
> > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Denis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start
> a
> > > vote
> > > >> this week.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel
> and
> > > >>> holidays at this moment.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Ok,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman!
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to
> > > [VOTE].
> > > >>>> The
> > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the
> > > order
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>>> their appearance on the thread):
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>  Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>>>  Vladimir Ozerov
> > > >>>>  Konstantin Boudnik
> > > >>>>  Valentin Kulichenko
> > > >>>>  Denis Magda
> > > >>>>  Branko Čibej
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use
> > > >>>> First-past-the-post
> > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the
> candidate
> > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>  Cos
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan
> > > >>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would
> > propose
> > > >>>> Denis
> > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project
> does
> > > >>>> not only
> > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall,
> > > >>>> including
> > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a
> > > >>>> somewhat
> > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this
> > discussion
> > > >>>>> a little bit.
> > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on
> > > >>>> Ignite) member
> > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more
> with
> > > my
> > > >>>> ASF
> > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly
> > > >> contribute
> > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your
> > incubation
> > > >>>> days
> > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community
> > > >>>> development
> > > >>>>> front.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than
> > 80%
> > > >>>> of project
> > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation.
> > > >> While
> > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid
> concern.
> > > >>>> Monocultures
> > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't
> really
> > > >>>>> improved much
> > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that
> this
> > > is,
> > > >>>>> to a larger
> > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood
> > that
> > > >>>> in order
> > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a
> > > >>>>> positive trajectory
> > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on
> > it
> > > >>>> since.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair
> > > could
> > > >>>>> offer: a renewed
> > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this
> > > >>>> premise than
> > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function
> to
> > > >>>> constantly
> > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this
> > > community
> > > >>>> would
> > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love"
> > was
> > > >>>>> probably the
> > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator).
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to
> > do
> > > >>>>> that. But lets
> > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't
> > really
> > > >>>>> have any special
> > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything
> that
> > > has
> > > >>>> to do
> > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help
> > > >> quite
> > > >>>> a bit.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like
> > to
> > > >>>>> commit to 6 more
> > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community
> > > >> development
> > > >>>> -- they
> > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -
> > > > Denis
> > >
> >
>